so... they're both tall and coming out of high school (read: can only play face up).

4/12/2012 1:30:39 AM

Quote :

"Player A: O-rating 99.7, Oreb 9.2%, Dreb 14.8%, Ast 3.2%, TO 14.5%, 3.0% Blk, 0.6% Stl, TS 47.9% Player B: O-rating 98.3, Oreb 9.5%, Dreb 15.2%, Ast 2.8%, TO 18.7%, 6.4% Blk, 0.3% Stl, TS 51.1% Player C: O-rating 101.0, Oreb 9.2%, Dreb 15.6%, Ast 3.1%, TO 13.4%, 2.1% Blk, 3.0% Stl, TS 47.8% Here we have Painter, Oriakhi, and James Michael McAdoo. One of these guys we are supposed to be excited to lose, one we are praying we get as an incoming transfer, and one guy we were pissed when UNC paid him enough to forego being a lottery pick. Please explain your inconsistent opinions below. Thanks."

All 3 of those players were pretty crappy last year. Put up Vandy's stats for the games he played in. His numbers compare favorably to all 3 of those guys, which shows how meaningless that O-rating is as a metric for reserves.

[Edited on April 12, 2012 at 3:15 AM. Reason : 2]

4/12/2012 3:13:18 AM

Oriakhi and McAdoo would obviously be superior to Painter next year and all three would be superior to Vandenberg next year.

You play with what you got. Our depth took a big hit yesterday and will force the freshmen into more important roles than we'd like. Tough break but maybe we get some good recruiting news shortly?

4/12/2012 7:36:49 AM

Quote :

"it certainly makes us a big longshot for the Final Four."

come on

4/12/2012 7:47:37 AM

^^^ Vandy didn't play enough to get rated last year. Nor did Harris/TDT but they were both low 80's o-rating before they slipped off the grid late season.

Here are Vandy's stats from the year previous. His usage rate is a ridiculously low 9.5% so his O-rating isn't very meaningful. The lower your usage rate the easier it is to have a high o-rating as everyone will benefit from a few easy dunks or wide open 3's from time to time whether or not they create any offense.

o-rating 105.6, Oreb 7.9%, Dreb 11.9%, Ast 3.9%, TO 27.7% (!!!! thats higher than most PG's!), Blk 7%, Stl 0.5%, TS 63.8% (again, these are mostly dunks because his shot% is a ridiculously low off the charts 7%)

[Edited on April 12, 2012 at 7:52 AM. Reason : a]

4/12/2012 7:52:42 AM

LOL, Vandy turns the ball over on 27% of the possessions he gets a touch? Is that really what that means?

4/12/2012 7:57:27 AM

No 27.7% of the possessions he "uses" ends in a turnover.

Quote :

"Percentage of possessions used (%Poss): A measure of personal possessions used while the player is on the court. Simply assigns credit or blame to a player when his actions end a possession, either by making a shot, missing a shot that isn’t rebounded by the offense, or committing a turnover."

For reference here are our other big men's TO% this year

Leslie 17.9%

Painter 14.5%

Howell 18.3%


Alex Johnson with a staggering 28.1% He was quite the turnover princess.

4/12/2012 8:03:07 AM

Quote :

""Percentage of possessions used (%Poss): A measure of personal possessions used while the player is on the court. Simply assigns credit or blame to a player when his actions end a possession, either by making a shot, missing a shot that isn’t rebounded by the offense, or committing a turnover.""

So, a higher percentage could be a good thing for some players.

4/12/2012 8:16:39 AM

I can't believe some people are glad we're losing painter, who was a solid contributor off the bench with experience, while others are disappointed to lose Raymond with the hopes that he would have been a solid contributor off the bench come his senior season. what. the. fuck.

4/12/2012 8:20:03 AM

^^ No, a higher turnover % is a bad thing.

A higher usage rate can be good or bad. Depending on whether he is making shots, missing shots, or turning the ball over.

Vandy's usage rate is off the charts low. His turnover % is off the charts high. That's not a good combo.

I like Vandy and think he has potential, he just hasn't played well yet. We're holding out hope that next year is the year.

4/12/2012 8:40:13 AM

Quote :

"I can't believe some people are glad we're losing painter, who was a solid contributor off the bench with experience, while others are disappointed to lose Raymond with the hopes that he would have been a solid contributor off the bench come his senior season. what. the. fuck."

Couldn't agree more. Sad to see both leave. I think one aspect that is under appreciated is that both (esp Painter) were real team guys, seemed to have no ego and really wanted their teammates to succeed. Wish the best for Painter, real likable guy

4/12/2012 8:41:44 AM

Quote :

"Vandy's usage rate is off the charts low. His turnover % is off the charts high. That's not a good combo."

That makes sense. I was confused as to what you were quoting there, and trying to make sense of it.

I think Vandy will improve next year, but I am disappointed in the loss of Painter. I really hope Harris stays too.

4/12/2012 9:21:34 AM

Anyone happy to see Painter leave needs a swift kick in the dick. DP was a solid contributer off the bench and will sorely be needed if CJL goes pro. Losing depth is never good for any team. Some State fans just suck.

4/12/2012 9:23:21 AM

Hopefully this was completely personal in regards to the family issues that he wants to get closer to.

I think he saw quality minutes this past year, and showed off a mid-range jumper that was better than most big men his size. Had he been able to be more selective about where he took his shots from, his percentage would have been higher (took a lot of shots less than a foot inside the 3-pt line, missed most of them).

The team will not be better without him, and that's why its a loss for State. Howell fouling out will be much more problematic for us this year because of this.

4/12/2012 9:24:18 AM

according to an interview with Andrew Young's coach on PI, they've known for quite some time that Painter was going to transfer so it sounds like Gottfried has a plan in place.

4/12/2012 9:39:15 AM

Sad to hear about Painter. I hope everything in his family life turns out for the best.

4/12/2012 9:41:38 AM

My sources tell me that they hear that Harris is not transferring but that another player is. They do not know who. This shit is killing me.

[Edited on April 12, 2012 at 10:05 AM. Reason : I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if it were Vandy]

4/12/2012 10:04:47 AM

the only other transfer that could make sense would be TDT or maybe vandy.

4/12/2012 10:06:40 AM

It's Wood, he wants to play with Julius Mays again before it's too late

4/12/2012 10:07:02 AM

lmao

4/12/2012 10:08:36 AM

Wouldn't Vandy have to sit out another year if he transferred, and lose a year of eligibility?

i know TDT is supposedly back in belgium now because his father is ill or something.

4/12/2012 10:08:40 AM

I'd guess TDT too, if rumors are true.

Vandy doesn't seem likely. He's a veteran and he just redshirted, and he's now set up perfectly to replace Painter as the 6th man.

4/12/2012 10:09:01 AM

I have no idea

[Edited on April 12, 2012 at 10:11 AM. Reason : TDT would not be a loss at any position]

4/12/2012 10:10:45 AM

EPIC NC STATE SHIT

4/12/2012 10:12:14 AM

definitely could be

4/12/2012 10:13:49 AM

yes, losing tdt would suck too. do you realize how thin we are now? and we already have 3 open schollies, we dono't need any more? and it's too late in the recruiting game to get involved with any other decent players who be able to contribute? we need to build depth and experience. we are not kentucky, and we're not going to be.

4/12/2012 10:14:06 AM

It's Alex Johnson. He's transferring to complete his graduate degree at Tuskegee institute.

4/12/2012 10:15:08 AM

I heard it is CJL and he is transfering to the NBA

4/12/2012 10:15:14 AM

haha

4/12/2012 10:15:59 AM

Tyler Harris is just afraid Gottfried is gonna make up a name for him when Tyler Lewis gets on campus. Noone wants to be the next Calvin.

4/12/2012 10:16:50 AM

Richard howells beard is transferring to ODU along with painter so that he can meet their hairgibility requirements.

4/12/2012 10:19:24 AM

^ you can do so much better

4/12/2012 10:23:14 AM

agreed

4/12/2012 10:24:07 AM

Boils is transferring to Purdue to put the Boils in Boilermaker

4/12/2012 10:24:18 AM

Quote :

" yes, losing tdt would suck too. do you realize how thin we are now? and we already have 3 open schollies, we dono't need any more? and it's too late in the recruiting game to get involved with any other decent players who be able to contribute? we need to build depth and experience. we are not kentucky, and we're not going to be."

Relax. If another big man were transferring, we'd be chasing after Hood, Gill and every other forward transfer in the area. We're not, which is a strong sign that the rumors of a 3rd transfer are bogus.

[Edited on April 12, 2012 at 10:25 AM. Reason : 2]

4/12/2012 10:24:43 AM

Zobo is transferrring to the New Mexico Lobos.

4/12/2012 10:26:09 AM

Vandenberg is transferring to Australia in like 10 days.

[Edited on April 12, 2012 at 10:27 AM. Reason : ^don't you mean LOBO is transferring there? ]

4/12/2012 10:26:38 AM

calmer than you. just saying that we need to build depth. we're not going to have a line of all-americans lining up to play for us anytime soon, this year is probably a phenomenon. hopefully not, but we're still going to need experienced role players.

4/12/2012 10:28:38 AM

wicked tribal tat



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqJ6HtnoLRY

4/12/2012 10:29:05 AM

Rumors swirling that Harrow is unhappy at Kentucky and will be transferring to Savannah College of Art & Design so he can surround himself with other moody emo kids who don't fit in and just want to tweet their emotions to the world.

4/12/2012 10:31:20 AM

ok now you've redeemed yourself

[Edited on April 12, 2012 at 10:43 AM. Reason : .]

4/12/2012 10:42:49 AM

Quote :

"I'd guess TDT too, if rumors are true. Vandy doesn't seem likely. He's a veteran and he just redshirted, and he's now set up perfectly to replace Painter as the 6th man."

Ugh, just stop. A 6th man gets 20-25 mins a game. Vandy will serve his purpose but he CAN NOT be playing as our sixth man if we legitimately want to compete for an ACC title.

I realize I come off as hating on him a lot but I'm also being realistic. He has a role on this team but it simply cannot be as the first option off the bench.

4/12/2012 10:50:52 AM

right, because he will be starting.

4/12/2012 10:52:51 AM

I hate how UNC lost all of its starters to the NBA and we are losing 3-4 players because of transfers

shows where our programs are, respectively

4/12/2012 10:53:22 AM

^Not even close to comparable.

4/12/2012 10:54:03 AM

3-4?

4/12/2012 10:54:22 AM

We've always been cursed by transfers for the past 15 years. We've lost literally 20 guys early for various reasons in the herb, lowe, Gottfried era

4/12/2012 10:55:28 AM

I think he's counting Harris (not decided) and CJL. But it's an idiotic post even if it is 3-4, which it's not.

And a transfer for family reasons, or a transfer for not getting enough playing time is not the same thing as transferring off a shitty team.

[Edited on April 12, 2012 at 10:56 AM. Reason : ]

4/12/2012 10:55:39 AM

Vandy has already started. And again, what are you basing your assesment on? The guy has had an entire season to practice, work-out, and better learn the system. We don't know how good he'll be next season.

4/12/2012 10:55:43 AM

set em up

4/12/2012 10:58:58 AM