Why don't we just move Painter's family close to State?

Or we could move State closer to his family.

4/11/2012 6:03:28 PM

Damn Fire. Kinda fucked up.

This hurts right now, but won't be a big deal if CJL comes back and TDT and Vandy step up. It's a positive if we can give the extra scholly to a solid big who will be here for more than a year (since that's what Painter had left). We had a max exodus of bigs leaving next year with Howell/Painter/CJL...this will space those schollies out a bit.

4/11/2012 6:12:35 PM

^^
Good luck moving all those bricks.

4/11/2012 6:16:33 PM

Joe Giglio ? @jpgiglio
Wolfpack also waiting for word on freshman forward Tyler Harris, who might transfer

4/11/2012 6:24:55 PM

Good GOD.

wtf is happening?

then again all of these guys getting out the way and having elite players come in would be nice.

harris was just too small for his position IMO. Never really was a huge fan of his game.

I'd prefer to have all these elite athletes.

4/11/2012 6:26:20 PM

he was a 4 star recruit and we never even got to see his game...

4/11/2012 6:29:07 PM

Quote :

"Wolfpack also waiting for word on freshman forward Tyler Harris, who might transfer"

Why the hell is there a mass exodus? Don't they know we're going to be great next year?? I really liked Harris, and I thought he could have been a good part of the team.

4/11/2012 6:30:23 PM

If we can bring in a decently sized guy who can rebound even a little and has even one post move, we should be fine. For whatever Painter brought, his love of 16 footers usually amounted to 3-4 turnovers per game since there was never anybody to rebound them. This Young kid seems to meet that description, Oriakhi would, Jefferson would, or maybe we could grab a transfer. Again, it sucks, but it's not like we're screwed.

4/11/2012 6:36:05 PM

Harris was a *** on Scout.

Regardless, this would suck. He was never going to be a star, but he was going to be a good program player.

4/11/2012 6:36:54 PM

I really hope Gottfried knew about this before today and has some kind of plan in place...

[Edited on April 11, 2012 at 6:37 PM. Reason : fucking shit]

4/11/2012 6:37:11 PM

It could be that all of a sudden guys like Raymond and Harris see the type of guys we are recruiting now. They figure best to move on now when they have plenty of time to play elsewhere than wait and see what happens and maybe be at best limited minute roll players. This only works out though if we fill their spots with better recruits with the hype we have going right now.

4/11/2012 6:38:54 PM

bingo

hope we bring in a shot blocker/rebounder

we will need it.

4/11/2012 6:40:56 PM

Quote :

"painter did not contribute in his time on the court..."

how would you explain the several games where we went on runs when howell or leslie were on the bench for large portions of the 2nd half because of foul trouble? dude was a solid contributor, don't argue it.

4/11/2012 6:42:17 PM

Quote :

"They figure best to move on now when they have plenty of time to play elsewhere than wait and see what happens and maybe be at best limited minute roll players."

Raymond yes, but Harris was actually a legitimate recruit who WOULD get playing time no matter who we bring in. Especially with both Howell and Leslie 100% leaving after next year.

4/11/2012 6:42:53 PM

Well that was based on the assumption we continue to recruit this way and while it seems that way now if we start adding burger boys regularly maybe that spot gets filled by someone younger but better.

4/11/2012 6:46:36 PM

I, for one, am not counting on adding burger boys on the regular. It'd be great, but I'm certainly not expecting it.
Please don't go Harris.

[Edited on April 11, 2012 at 6:53 PM. Reason : where's skooiann to tell me that that's not a winner's mentality?]

4/11/2012 6:48:06 PM

calling it now, leslie to the nba and jefferson and young to kentucky

4/11/2012 6:58:48 PM

Kind of surprising about Harris, he's definitely going to get some minutes next year unless Leslie stays, Jefferson comes and Vandy turns out to be good

4/11/2012 6:59:43 PM

^^ this

[Edited on April 11, 2012 at 7:00 PM. Reason : ]

4/11/2012 6:59:56 PM

I'd say maybe one burger boy each year is pretty good, until we can resurrect ourselves to the point where getting 3 isn't strange

4/11/2012 7:05:34 PM

WTF is going on? Gott must have known about some of this, but Im confused about why it's all happening now.

4/11/2012 7:09:01 PM

Quote :

"calling it now, leslie to the nba and jefferson and young to kentucky duke, also coach K discovers the holy grail and becomes immortal"

4/11/2012 7:13:31 PM

Amile wants playing time so he is transferring all the talent

4/11/2012 7:14:15 PM

Quote :

"calling it now, leslie to the nba and jefferson and young to kentucky duke ODU to get all the put back jams from painter's jumpers."

[Edited on April 11, 2012 at 7:16 PM. Reason : quote]

4/11/2012 7:15:55 PM

Painter
Raymond
Harris

4/11/2012 8:52:14 PM

anyone honestly happy that a senior who played significant minutes last year is transferring is delusional. we are not bringing in so much talent that it's a GOOD THING that he's leaving.

4/11/2012 8:53:59 PM

^^massively idiotic

4/11/2012 8:58:36 PM

Harris is not official yet, right?

4/11/2012 9:00:36 PM

i kind of feel like we're a big time school again: talented recruiting classes, guys transferring, football players in trouble wit da law...

4/11/2012 9:01:29 PM

I guess all of the posters that wanted Painter benched for Vandenberg got there wish. I sure hope Vandy is ready but will be surprised if he contributes as much as Painter this year.

4/11/2012 9:02:40 PM

look my bracket was 95th in the country so i know basketball

painter sucked... this is good

4/11/2012 9:07:20 PM

Quote :

"GOT THERE WISH"

4/11/2012 9:12:30 PM

Quote :

"I guess all of the posters that wanted Painter benched for Vandenberg got there wish."

I don't think anyone was REALLY serious about that. Painter was a large contributor to a Sweet 16 team. I would like to think we have an intelligent enough fanbase that the Vandy stuff is just a joke and they don't legitimately expect him to ever be a big-time contributor.

Painter was a guy who could average 9-10 points a game at an ACC level...

4/11/2012 9:26:51 PM

anyone who is seriously happy about painter leaving is either a non-fan who is trolling, or is idiotic.
more thank likely, they're both.

4/11/2012 9:30:14 PM

not happy about him leaving but think we'll be fine

4/11/2012 9:36:23 PM

There was seriously no category where Painter was good on our team.

Leslie scores better. Howell rebounds better. Painter had no niche other than being a warm body. With the guys we have coming in or stepping up, we at least have the chance to replace Painter's minutes with someone who can excel at something.

I'd prefer to have someone who is really good at one thing rather than really poor at everything.

Since we are growing up as a program, Painter-type players are not the ones we want having much playing time.

Painter
Name	Position	MIN	PTS	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PF
2012	Center		1.00	0.31	0.21	0.02	0.01	0.03	0.04	0.12
2011	Center		1.00	0.31	0.23	0.02	0.01	0.04	0.06	0.15
2010	Forward		1.00	0.24	0.18	0.00	0.01	0.04	0.05	0.16

Richard Howell
Name	Position	MIN	PTS	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PF
2012	Forward		1.00	0.40	0.34	0.04	0.04	0.01	0.07	0.12
2011	Forward		1.00	0.41	0.36	0.05	0.05	0.03	0.05	0.12
2010	Forward		1.00	0.36	0.34	0.05	0.03	0.01	0.08	0.13

Leslie
Name	Position	MIN	PTS	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PF
2012	Forward		1.00	0.51	0.25	0.04	0.04	0.05	0.08	0.09
2011	Forward		1.00	0.45	0.29	0.03	0.03	0.05	0.07	0.08

4/11/2012 9:37:01 PM

Quote :

"Leslie scores better. Howell rebounds better. Painter had no niche other than being a warm body"

maybe his niche was a solid role-playing 6th man, and our only big guy good enough to relieve howell and leslie when they inevitably got into foul trouble (or started cramping)? warren might be great, but i don't think he'll be able to give solid minutes at the 4/5 in his freshman season.

4/11/2012 9:55:58 PM

The standard for backing up Leslie and Howell isn't being better than them, it's being better than De Thaey and Vandenberg.

4/11/2012 10:02:02 PM

not happy about the painter transfer

there goes any frontcourt depth

4/11/2012 10:04:28 PM

Warren is a 3. He came to NC State because we refcruited him to play the 3, unlike UNC which saw him as a 4.

Harris, TDT & maybe Jefferson will back up Leslie.

Vandenberg & maybe Young will back up Howell.

We'll be fine, folks.

4/11/2012 10:04:49 PM

considering 2 players you mentioned havent committed yet, we're not in that great of shape

4/11/2012 10:06:28 PM

I think De Thaey siezes the moment and channels his inner Petrovic next year

4/11/2012 10:07:20 PM

It's really sad that Painter as a senior won't be close to being starter-level -- not even as good as Howell or Leslie when they were freshmen.

Since we are only talking about the 6th man, it's certainly worth it to roll the dice to see if we can get something better. It's not like we are losing a lot. Hell, if we replace Painter with Leslie or Howell as a freshman, that's an improvement.

Out of Warren, Harris, Amile, Vandy (unlikely), TDT (ehh), one of them has to be as good as Leslie or Howell when they were freshmen.

4/11/2012 10:11:37 PM

except 3 or 4 of them can't play in the post against good competition. painter could.

4/11/2012 10:14:21 PM

^^^^ well, how many subs do you need in the post? Last year we used 1, for about 20 minutes per game. Leslie and Howell are gonna play 30 min per game each. I'm sure that Gott can cover those other 20 min with the combined forces of Vandy, Harris, TDT, and whatever recruit we sign this spring.

[Edited on April 11, 2012 at 10:15 PM. Reason : ^]

4/11/2012 10:14:52 PM

how many games did we lose because we essentially had 2 post players/people who could actually guard an ACC center

[Edited on April 11, 2012 at 10:17 PM. Reason : ,]

4/11/2012 10:16:43 PM

Howell's going to play thirty minutes? Is Ray Charles filling in for Karl Hess?

4/11/2012 10:17:40 PM

painter never played the post... he played 15 foot jumpers... and committed the dumbest fucking and 1 fouls ever.

i saw times he let rebounds go through his hands and hit him in the face like a 3rd grader picked last in gym class

the worst thing though that always sparked me doing the traditional "im laughing it off but im pissed as shit" was his back being turned dozens of times when he was the 'help defense' in that situation...

this guy was dumb as shit is the bottom line. he just looked black, athletic, tall/big and hit a couple jump shots so people think he's worth a solid 6th man role at nc state. OK guys. OK

4/11/2012 10:21:07 PM

please stop trying to paint this as a good thing (LOL no pun intended). it's not.

4/11/2012 10:21:43 PM

Quote :

"he just looked black"

4/11/2012 10:26:00 PM