^

10/25/2006 10:03:56 AM

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"If people are still walking around campus, thinking homosexuality is "wrong," we need a fucking center and then some."

I don't care what people's sexual preferences are, but I'll be damned before I pay to have people tell me that I'm not capable of judging right and wrong.

10/25/2006 11:17:55 AM

so the justice system in general must really bug you, right?

10/25/2006 12:50:55 PM

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"if we get an lbgt center, i want talley renamed the "straight, non-black student center""

10/25/2006 1:05:18 PM

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"Director $50,000 Assistant $25,000 Grad-Student $10,000 Furnishings $15,000 (carpet, furniture, computers, etc.) ($100,000 cumulative) Initial Marketing $50,000 (pamplets, literature, maybe a conference, etc.) Misc. Program Costs $50,000 ($200,000 cumulative)"

Ok..I'm going to consider the LGBT a club. As such, it should be run by volunteers. So I'm going to eliminate the first three things, which saves 85,000.

Furnishing...15,000? Are you insane? NC State surplus would be able to provide alot, and since its an NC state club, I'm sure you guys could get access to the surplus building before the public does.

initial Marketing...50,000. Wouldn't be hard to create an initial buzz for this. PLus you have tww, facebook, and my space. Conference..perhaps you could get one the people at student health to speak. Pamplets and literature..lets go with 5000.

Misc Program Costs...this is what fund raisers are for.

I don't see this costing more than 10,000.

10/25/2006 1:14:22 PM

^
As I've said, instead of complaining, why not take some action? Did you even BOTHER to TRY to look up the information?

http://www.ncsu.edu/lgbt/docs/lgbt_proposal.pdf (props to BGLA for the link)

p. 11, Director's Salary + Benefits ($67k-$80k for somebody with a Master's or Doctorate)
p. 12, Assistant's Salary + Benefits ($37k)
p. 12, Operating Budget ($20k-$25k)
p. 12, Startup Costs ($18k) - $10k furniture, $5k technology, $3k resources

1) Volunteers unfortunately won't do nearly as good as a job (consistently) as professionals/paid people typically will, or without some sort of paid support. I'm not arguing for or against having one or the other ... just stating the facts.
2) In general, if you want to impress, and you want the right candidate for a job (director position), you won't go to the surplus, or give them a used computer, or do any number of other things to appear thrifty.
3) Another source of possible confusion (and somebody correct me if I'm wrong here), there are two organizations present. One is a student organization (http://www.ncsu.edu/stud_orgs/lgsu/ - BGLA), the other is a center involved in the student fee's proposal / university diversity / etc.

10/25/2006 1:46:00 PM

hey guys i think Student Govt is about to hold a town hall on this so everyone can go and express their views.

i will get you a date and time as soon as i know.

10/25/2006 1:58:19 PM

I was trying to troll Smath, but I ain't even get a response from him.

^Please don't. TWW ugliness isn't needed there.

^^The primary author of the GLBT center proposal is...

Dr. Bill Swallow!

tee hee

[Edited on October 25, 2006 at 2:01 PM. Reason : sss]

10/25/2006 2:00:29 PM

NC State has desperately been in need of a place where you can go and pick up a third for romantic special occasions.

10/25/2006 2:12:15 PM

^

10/25/2006 2:17:29 PM

nothing says loving like someone cheering you on from the side of the mattress.

well, except for maybe two people cheering you on from underneath you.

10/25/2006 2:19:54 PM

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"Ok..I'm going to consider the LGBT a club. As such, it should be run by volunteers."

Actually, LGBT refers to people, not an organization. It stands for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender. In context of LGBT Center, it simply means a center in support of the community of the people who identify as one of the above. A community of people is not a club.

BGLA (Now called 'Unity in Progress') is a club. The BGLA stood for Bisexuals, Gays, Lesbians, and Allies. BGLA is a student organization which is described on the Project SAFE page as follows:

Quote :

"The mandates of the group are three-fold: * Provide a supportive environment for gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered members of the NC State University community. * Provide education to group members as well as outreach to the campus at large on issues regarding sexual orientation and the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and trangender community. * Provide a vehicle for activism and positive social change on campus regarding issues of sexual orientation and the lesbian, gay, transgender and bisexual community. "

The two are not related, but have a lot in common.

10/25/2006 3:26:17 PM

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"The primary author of the GLBT center proposal is... Dr. Bill Swallow! tee hee"

Dr. Swallow? He was on of my favorite professors. Seems odd that he's in on this.

10/25/2006 7:12:13 PM

so that means his name is WILL...SWALLOW

10/25/2006 7:18:55 PM

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"Furnishing...15,000? Are you insane? NC State surplus would be able to provide alot, and since its an NC state club, I'm sure you guys could get access to the surplus building before the public does."

That just wouldnt work. Gays have very expensive taste. AMIRITE?

10/25/2006 7:27:06 PM

i guess some of them

so do straight people

10/25/2006 7:35:19 PM

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"if you build it, we will bomb it. "

10/25/2006 8:56:08 PM

^Yeah, we need a center.

10/25/2006 9:11:23 PM

Even a centroid would be nice.

10/25/2006 10:13:36 PM

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"If people are still walking around campus, thinking homosexuality is "wrong," we need a fucking center and then some."

of course there are. they are called republicans.

10/25/2006 10:17:34 PM

^That response wasn't worth everybody else calling me stupid.

10/25/2006 10:31:38 PM

im a democrat with a homosexual family member, homosexual friends, im in favor of this center and I think homosexuality is "wrong" (depending on what was meant by "wrong)

i guess i just dont see why that should change how i feel about anyone or how compassionate and tolerant i am of them

10/25/2006 10:32:57 PM

^I totally feel you. But every once in a while, I switch back to not feeling that.

10/25/2006 10:46:16 PM

Has anyone said that this is fucking gay yet?





Why is there a need for other centers that single out minorities? Separation is what leads to hate.

10/25/2006 11:05:31 PM

^Can you prove that making this center will lead to animosity? Honestly?

Or are you just saying that?

10/25/2006 11:12:13 PM

^^i'd argue that its actually the other way around

[Edited on October 25, 2006 at 11:12 PM. Reason : /]

10/25/2006 11:12:19 PM

I have nothing against Homosexuality, its not my choice but if you want to then go ahead. The idea that each individual group on campus should get there own center or building is stupid however. I mean honestly one big multi cultural building would be fine but not one for just one group. I am pretty sure there are more groups that are larger than the LGBT group. No need to make stupid comments about fag's having their own building. Its just stupid to think that we can have a building for every group. If the measure passes and the building gets built then I hope that every group petition's to get their own building that way we can further divide our campus up.

10/26/2006 9:10:37 AM

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"The idea that each individual group on campus should get there own center or building is stupid however"

Thats the point I was trying to make.

10/26/2006 11:37:40 AM

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"I think that Bisexual Asian Studies should have its own building. The question is who goes? The math department or the hockey team? ... I think Hockey, call me about it. "

10/26/2006 11:46:20 AM

GAYEST THREAD EVER


still

10/26/2006 11:49:56 AM

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"I have nothing against Homosexuality, its not my choice but if you want to then go ahead."

Most of the time, it's not a choice. Did you 'choose' to be attracted to women?

10/26/2006 11:56:33 AM

I don't really care where their preferences come from.

10/26/2006 11:59:24 AM

^^Hell yeah, they don't have the same parts as me.

10/26/2006 12:22:41 PM

10/26/2006 12:29:48 PM

But 2 out of 3 holes ain't bad!!!

10/26/2006 12:30:20 PM

skank is right. i mean just look at women and black people, they are way worse off than they were before equal rights stuff. these things make the problem worse. i dont know about you but i know that the womens center and african american student union have turned me into a woman hating bigot.

10/26/2006 12:35:46 PM

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"^Please don't. Another viewpoint TWW ugliness isn't needed there."

Quote :

"^Can you prove that making this center will lead to animosity? Honestly?"

Can you prove it will dissolve animosity? Honestly?

I'd think that its pretty clear building the center can lead to animosity. I mean, aren't you the one in here arguing we need this because it angers so many students?

10/26/2006 12:46:34 PM

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""they're getting an office in Talley, that's it" maybe someone will read it this time."

they're not building anything

10/26/2006 1:32:32 PM

i wish they would build one

think of all the HOT construction workers

and all the police men needed to guard them

they could build it next to the navy reserve building

my suggestion is to do it when the Rodeo and Annual Native American Powwow converge in
a vertex of delight

[Edited on October 26, 2006 at 2:04 PM. Reason : .]

10/26/2006 2:04:01 PM

if one ever gets built, be ready for mass vandalism

10/26/2006 2:29:03 PM

Quote :

"skank is right. i mean just look at women and black people, they are way worse off than they were before equal rights stuff. these things make the problem worse. i dont know about you but i know that the womens center and african american student union have turned me into a woman hating bigot."

So, you mean to tell me that they are better off because of their student centers?

10/26/2006 3:23:16 PM

I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will have their own student centers, and where their classmates pay for them to host programs about culture and equality!

10/26/2006 3:50:47 PM

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"So, you mean to tell me that they are better off because of their student centers?"

yes, organizations like the proposed one have helped those groups

so unless you would like to show me how exactly the womens center or african american student union have hurt those groups on campus you should probably just drop your point and walk away

10/26/2006 5:43:13 PM

Can you prove to me that those centers are the primary factor in greater awareness? Also, find me 10 people that know where the Womens Center is (Witherspoon is primarily known b/c of the cinema and various publication offices/classes that are held there.).

10/26/2006 11:51:47 PM

I'll bet more women know where the Women's center is then men.

10/27/2006 12:15:14 AM

you know... you're probably right.

10/27/2006 12:23:14 AM

THE WOMEN'S CENTER IS IN THE KITCHEN AHAHAHAHA

10/27/2006 12:29:58 AM

yet another reason I am glad I don't go to State

arguing about where the funding is coming from is logical and good

arguing about whether or not diversity is beneficial... fuck you guys
and I hope some motherfuckers go to prison for hate crimes after they vandalize that shit
NC State is NOT lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered friendly

10/27/2006 1:01:43 AM

and we are proud of it

10/27/2006 1:04:45 AM

For the record, in the context of this thread and the broader discussion about the proposed LGBT site, the word "community" is an artificial construct. That is all--for now.

10/27/2006 1:06:18 AM