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Build the center and dismantle SG.

10/24/2006 12:59:34 PM

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"But beyond that, I don't think we need to spend more public funding with programs to compartmentalize us in the name of "diversity" This does nothing but further segment the student population."

indeed, Harvard also does this but to an even greater extent, what's funny is they get very defensive if you mention it saying you can belong to any group you wish....

i thought the whole point was to get past the 'groups' mentality.... so much for the 'higher learning/social consciousness' of Harvard....

they also protest randomly it seems.... about stupid things.... like the anniversary of GWB second inauguration...

ok i could understand protesting the first one as that was a highly contested election.... but why bother with it later over that? protest his policies maybe but his inauguration?

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"Then again, I thought that the fees for renovating Thompson were a waste as well."

eh, i think thompson should be renovated... would make it a more enjoyable experience and more students would be more likely to attend stuff there.... I'm all for it...

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"We're students god dammit, we need A student union."

very true, our SU kinda sucks.... much too 'office' like....


I'd like to see a new SU with a mix of offices for groups, meeting areas, study areas, etc. where harrelson now is.... shit, you can even make it octagon... chopped up like a grid inside, with the triangle corners and squares either being lounge/meeting/study areas or offices or a mix.... like a computer lab in the middle square, the four triangle portions being study/lounge/meeting areas with couches, chairs, tables, with a wall desk lining the wall with stools (glass outer wall (angles) and brick (square's) then the other 4 squares being offices for student groups...

hmmmmmmmmm........

[Edited on October 24, 2006 at 2:15 PM. Reason : a]

10/24/2006 2:04:08 PM

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""The new LGBT center has an estimated start-up cost of less than $200,000. Half of the cost will come from diversity allotment and the other half will come from student academic fees, according Matt Haggard, chair of the Campus Community Committee and senator for College of Management.""

i want my part of that money back. i dont support this crap. along with a lot of other things that fees are used for. i don't get any special treatment around here and i shouldn't have to pay for someone else to. you want to talk about rights and awareness? honestly, what rights to gays not have on campus? who doesn't know about gays that hasn't lived in a cave for years? for crying out loud we had a banner on the atrium for a year saying that all are welcome with a big freakin rainbow triangle on it.

i don't think anyone should be abused or excluded for any sexual preference, but i don't think i should have to agree with them or pay extra money for someone's special treatment when the cost of college is already expensive enough.

10/24/2006 2:36:56 PM

^nicely un-pc like.

I like it.

10/24/2006 2:45:31 PM

first of all no where in the student fees have they requested any money, I dont know where tehy got that from...there is no specific allotment for the LGBT center at all and that was never passed.

2nd

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"WHY DONT THEY FUCKIGN SPEND MONEY ON MAKING OUR CAMPUS LOOK BETTER? THE FUCKING TREES ARE DISEASED, AND THERE IS A GENERAL LACK OF LANDSCAPE PLANNING, ORGANIZATION AND ORIGINALITY REMEMBER WHEN THE PRINCETON REVIEW SAID WE ARE THE UGLIEST LAND GRANT INSTITUTION THEY HAVE EVER LAID EYES ON?? "

this phase has already begun and it should be fully underway within the next few months. one of the first things was the free expression tunnel. some of the landscaping around there is a theme or preview of what will be done around campus in the next few years.

a lot of aesthetic pleasing designs and renovations are about to be completed to our university. please don't make statements if you do not already know about what is happening on campus to begin with.

10/24/2006 2:45:37 PM

no trust me they are not underway

ive spoken with people that work for grounds and maintenance, the school refuses to purchase disease resistant cultivars, and they have refused to listen to even their own professors


perhaps direct me on where to look for these improvements, im sure all they are doing is bringing in more crape myrtles and stuffing them whereever they happen to fit like always

not saying you are wrong, but as of two weeks ago the arborists that work for state were bitching about the lack of cooperation they get from the university

10/24/2006 3:15:28 PM

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DONT GIVE NC STATE A CENTER FOR GAYS

I WANT A PRETTIER CAMPUS GODDAMNIT!!111

10/24/2006 3:45:30 PM

i would think that if you really wanted a prettier campus

you would advocate for a gay center

a fabulous gay center

10/24/2006 3:47:06 PM

Zing~!

10/24/2006 3:54:09 PM

what, you think a gay center would advocate the laying of more bricks?

that's so passé

[Edited on October 24, 2006 at 4:37 PM. Reason : ~ Ø ~]

10/24/2006 4:37:18 PM

id say they would really like to lay more wood

10/24/2006 4:38:35 PM

id say they would really like to lay more wood

10/24/2006 5:09:06 PM

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"first of all no where in the student fees have they requested any money, I dont know where tehy got that from."

From The Technician article:

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"according Matt Haggard, chair of the Campus Community Committee and senator for College of Management"

http://students.ncsu.edu/home/directory.php?mode=show&id=mjhaggar&cs=86

Not sure if there is some miscommunication going on ... if there is, please clarify it and issue a restatement for the rest of us.

10/24/2006 7:16:40 PM

http://students.ncsu.edu/senate/bills.php?mode=bill&lid=39&cs=

that is the bill itself, no where in it is the LGBT center mentioned at all. There is no money this year going to them. That guy may have the student center and the LGBT center mixed up.

but if you can find the LGBT in that bill let me know.

10/24/2006 7:36:07 PM

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"when compared to other reports from other schools, nc state was judged as one of the least friendly schools towards lgbt persons. this is damaging to the image of ncsu as projected to the nation and prospective students."

Prospective gay students, perhaps. If they don't want to come, it's no skin off my back.

10/24/2006 8:10:19 PM

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" want my part of that money back. i dont support this crap."

If they ever get an office, you can walk in and take a stapler or something.

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"this phase has already begun and it should be fully underway within the next few months."

How long does it take to plant some fucking grass?

10/24/2006 8:14:35 PM

its not just grass, its trees, mulch, flower beds, rocks, and they are even considering clearing out and remaking the stream behind carmichael to make it completely renovated.

i will find the link and description if i can.

10/24/2006 8:17:28 PM

https://www.acs.ncsu.edu/scripts/FPT/construction.pl

that gives an overview of some of the construction being done

here is the non-bond projects we are completing

http://www.ncsu.edu/facilities/construction_info/status/non-bond_project_status.pdf

here are the deadlines for it all with an overview of cost and info about the project itself

http://www.ncsu.edu/facilities/project/project-review-deadlines/proj-project-review-deadlines.htm

[Edited on October 24, 2006 at 8:26 PM. Reason : v]

10/24/2006 8:25:10 PM

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" Prospective gay students, perhaps. If they don't want to come, it's no skin off my back."

or any straight student that doesnt want to attend a bigoted, intollerant university

10/24/2006 8:30:15 PM

Or gay or straight faculty.

10/24/2006 8:40:35 PM

where will this HIV center be located, i dont feel like going through 5 pages

10/24/2006 8:41:49 PM

^^^iirc, most people in this thread said they're not intolerant of gays, they just don't support spending THEIR OWN FEES on a "special interest group".

if we get an lbgt center, i want talley renamed the "straight, non-black student center"

10/24/2006 8:53:04 PM

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"or any straight student that doesnt want to attend a bigoted, intollerant university"

Don't need them either. Diversity is such a crock of shit.

10/24/2006 9:14:16 PM

i dont need any niggers in my school either

10/24/2006 9:18:15 PM

See, now we're getting somewhere.

10/24/2006 9:21:05 PM

and women, they should stay in the kitchen

[Edited on October 24, 2006 at 9:25 PM. Reason : wait, do we have cooking classes?]

10/24/2006 9:24:46 PM

Make me a gotdam sammich.

10/24/2006 9:33:42 PM

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"if we get an lbgt center, i want talley renamed the "straight, non-black student center""

I'm with you.

10/24/2006 9:34:28 PM

I NEED TO FEEL MORE SPECIAL

SOMEONE NAME SOMETHING AFTER ME

IM NOT PRIVILEGED ENOUGH :(

[Edited on October 24, 2006 at 9:40 PM. Reason : .]

10/24/2006 9:39:51 PM

But seriously, this university will not get a single alumni dollar from me.

10/24/2006 9:43:00 PM

because they're giving some gay people an office in talley? if so, god damn son, re-evaluate your life

10/24/2006 9:43:45 PM

Oh, it's not just this. Why should I be expected to donate money to an institution whose ideals are rapidly diverging from my own? I'm not going to aid in the perpetuation of their P.C. bullshit.

[Edited on October 24, 2006 at 9:47 PM. Reason : ]

10/24/2006 9:46:25 PM

you dont beleive in equality and tolerance?

do you know anything about jesus?

[Edited on October 24, 2006 at 9:56 PM. Reason : [i]]

10/24/2006 9:52:53 PM

Now my post makes no sense.

[Edited on October 24, 2006 at 10:00 PM. Reason : ]

10/24/2006 9:54:39 PM

I know Jesus wasn't gay.

10/24/2006 11:21:05 PM

regardless if homosexuality is right or wrong, having and ENTIRE CENTER devoted to it is ludacris.

10/24/2006 11:27:02 PM

if you build it, we will bomb it.

10/24/2006 11:40:56 PM

i dont see how having this ludacris. Homosexuals are arguably the most attacked minority group you will find on campus. Other groups may face more discrimination, but its still socially acceptable to attack and persecute homosexuals and thats exactly why this center is needed.

10/25/2006 12:03:28 AM

actually, attacking homosexuals is ludicrous.

ludacris is a rapper.

10/25/2006 12:18:37 AM

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"perhaps direct me on where to look for these improvements, im sure all they are doing is bringing in more crape myrtles and stuffing them whereever they happen to fit like always"

they did an absolutely amazing job on leazar. it's probably the (it is) coolest building on campus now. the black brick is really nice. the landscaping that they're doing between withers and daniels is also pretty nice, too. the landscaping around talley and the bookstore i bet will be nicely done as well. oh, and don't forget the free expression tunnel area.

but seriously. leazar is cool. they cut out quotes in the railings and stuff. i wish they had put that much effort into EB 2.

i know they're going to re-open up the creek down by the track, too. give it time.

10/25/2006 1:04:32 AM

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"Other groups may face more discrimination, but its still socially acceptable to attack and persecute homosexuals and thats exactly why this center is needed."

that's a really good point. it's still in the social norm (albeit slightly on the fringe) to call someone a faggot or something similiar, but completely uncool to call someone a nigger either to their face or indirectly.

this weekend a friend of mine was having a conversation with me and used the word faggot probably about 5 times in under a minute. when he was done, he kinda realized it and profusely apologized, saying that he hoped i didn't take it personally and that he didn't mean it towards me (i'm gay)...i think that having the center can really help in shifting this idea of it's "ok" to just talk like that in front of someone, gay or not. the words have weight, and helping people realize that can only be a good thing.

10/25/2006 1:08:52 AM

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"regardless if homosexuality is right or wrong, having and ENTIRE CENTER devoted to it is ludacris."

If people are still walking around campus, thinking homosexuality is "wrong," we need a fucking center and then some.

10/25/2006 1:19:39 AM

Again..could someone please tell me how this center plans on spending 200,000

10/25/2006 1:39:39 AM

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"If people are still walking around campus, thinking homosexuality is "wrong," we need a fucking center and then some."

Yes, we must continue until the brainwashing is complete. Promiscuous sex is not only acceptable, but mandatory, not only is it ok to be gay (which it totally is) but it is WRONG to be religious enough to think it is wrong...

What exactly is wrong with people thinking homosexuality is wrong? I think adultery is wrong, but I don't tell people its okay to beat them up.

10/25/2006 7:12:38 AM

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"If people are still walking around campus, thinking homosexuality is "wrong," we need a fucking center and then some."

i disagree

you can think homosexuality is wrong and still be compassionate and tolerant

10/25/2006 7:14:57 AM

^Agree 100%

10/25/2006 7:23:25 AM

^^

Exactly.

10/25/2006 7:50:42 AM

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"you can think homosexuality is wrong and still be compassionate and tolerant "

10/25/2006 8:13:19 AM

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"could someone please tell me how this center plans on spending 200,000"

I can give you some quick speculations ... probably nowhere near accurate, but here we go:

Director $50,000
Assistant $25,000
Grad-Student $10,000
Furnishings $15,000 (carpet, furniture, computers, etc.)
($100,000 cumulative)
Initial Marketing $50,000 (pamplets, literature, maybe a conference, etc.)
Misc. Program Costs $50,000
($200,000 cumulative)

Yeah, those last two aren't ultra-specific ... but it's kinda hard to anticipate exactly what "start-up" costs will be.

10/25/2006 8:40:36 AM

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"If people are still walking around campus, thinking homosexuality is "wrong," we need a fucking center and then some."

haha, you should go to that Dumbass Center you mentioned earlier.

To be more on point, what you are advocating is religious intolerance. There are some things in this world that are wrong. Some people believe the final word comes from their holy book: the Bible, Quran, etc. Muslims think eating pork is wrong, but we're obviously not making a pork eaters center. There are people who are naturally inclined to be murderers. Obviously, we can't go around saying murder isn't wrong and that we should be especially tolerant of these poor saps who can't help but kill people. Likewise, most Christians promote the idea that you should hate the sin, not the sinner. Everyone in the entire world is a sinner, so hating someone because they commit homosexuality when you tell lies isn't really in the church doctrine. But, they would never advocate a center for teaching people to accept sin and encourage others to commit it.

[Edited on October 25, 2006 at 9:55 AM. Reason : more Loungey]

10/25/2006 9:39:17 AM