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It's common knowledge that Covid may be more detrimental to people with other health issues like obesity. Nobody is arguing otherwise. I really don't think it's a politicians (or even Fauci's) role to tell everyone they need to lose weight. Most over-weight people know it's unhealthy and they should lose weight. They don't need a politician telling them that. And if they do, they're an idiot.

That's a totally ridiculous argument.

1/25/2022 12:02:57 PM

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Maybe because it's obvious to everyone that obesity is unhealthy. I mean, it can kill you so many ways. If that hasn't been enough to inspire someone to make a lifestyle change, you think a virus that encourages staying at home and eating comfort food is going to be the catalyst they need to get on a health and fitness regimen? I hadn't heard this ridiculous argument espoused yet, so thanks for keeping it fresh.

Also, the POTUS at the time was himself clinically obese and almost died by trying to keep up appearances and resisting common sense countermeasures because he was scared it would make him look weak. Well nothing shows strength better than almost dying from a preventable virus.

1/25/2022 12:07:38 PM

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Wtf does c0vid mean?

1/25/2022 12:11:37 PM

thegoodlife3
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“I wouldn’t have lost all this weight had a politician not recommended I should” is something that has never been said in human history

1/25/2022 12:11:44 PM

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Meatloaf: I would do anything for love.

CDC: Would you get vaccinated?

Meatloaf: No, I won't do that.

*we don't know his vax status yet, just that he was strongly against vax mandates.

1/25/2022 12:14:20 PM

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It's been awhile since I've been able to do this and I apologize in advance, but...

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1/25/2022 12:22:42 PM

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"How many c0vid related deaths could have been prevented if our elected leaders had made a serious effort to highlight the danger of being obese early on in the pandemic instead of just pushing masks and lockdowns for the healthy and unhealthy alike?"


Like...eight? Seriously, not very many. Losing a bunch of weight takes time. Meanwhile, even when the government pushed much easier things - like mask wearing, like a free vaccine - they struggled to get compliance. Compared to those, the lifestyle changes necessary to go from "obese" to "health weight" are a real heavy lift. Pun not intended.

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"How many people could have lost a significant amount of weight if they had started a lifestyle change in, say, April/May 2020?"


Not anywhere near as many as would still be alive if everyone had just gotten their damn vaccine.

Like, I'm all for some intelligent government intervention to help combat obesity, but you're talking nonsense.

1/25/2022 12:35:22 PM

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"Nice deflection - besides, she was trying to take away square pizza, people should have lost their shit. "


that shit was vile. we should not be feeding our kids trash.

1/25/2022 2:59:53 PM

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"Not anywhere near as many as would still be alive if everyone had just gotten their damn vaccine.

Like, I'm all for some intelligent government intervention to help combat obesity, but you're talking nonsense."


I don't think it's nonsense to suggest more awareness could have been raised about the link between obesity and cov!d deaths early on. And I'm not suggesting an either/or - only advocate losing weight or only advocate masks/vaxxing, etc. - but from a risk perspective I don't understand why more focus wasn't placed on preventable co-morbs. Seems like such a waste.

1/25/2022 3:16:36 PM

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"How many people could have lost a significant amount of weight if they had started a lifestyle change in, say, April/May 2020?"


Were you born yesterday? Do you really not know anything at all about basic human psychology and behaviors? This is one of the most ludicrous things I have ever heard.

1/25/2022 3:16:49 PM

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It's 2022 and I'm still on TWW so it should be obvious I don't know anything about anything. That being said, why is what I asked ludicrous? It's one thing to know being obese may lead to you dying a few years earlier than average when you're in your 60's, it's another to be told being obese could lead to you dying now. Instead, we get stuff like this during the midst of a pandemic.

1/25/2022 3:38:23 PM

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You're very up to date on your Cosmo!

[Edited on January 25, 2022 at 4:05 PM. Reason : Also, Cosmo is not public health guidance.]

1/25/2022 4:04:44 PM

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My doctor said that they are getting ready to start trials on a vaccine for omicron

A little late there.

Should we really expect to get vaccinated every 6 months? Even one of the primary researchers on the Astra Zeneca vaccine said that it's not sustainable to vaccinate the world every 6 months.

For reference, I've been vaccinated and boosted.

1/25/2022 4:11:48 PM

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"I don't think it's nonsense to suggest more awareness could have been raised about the link between obesity and cov!d deaths early on."


First off, it's common sense that if you're obese, any illness it going to pose more risk to you than a healthy person. And second (as someone already discussed in better detail) do you really think if Trump or somebody told the public that Covid is more riskier for obese people, that would influence obese people to suddenly decide to get healthier? And even if it did, that could take months, probably years.

Holy shit, I am truly baffled with this "argument". As Grumpy mentioned, I'm all for a concerted government effort to battle obesity in tjis country, but to suggest that it could have saved any (measurable) amount of lives during this pandemic if politicians just mentioned it more is just ludicrous. (and I imagine people like you would complain about government over-reach for almost any actions they may be proposed to do address obesity)

1/25/2022 4:32:36 PM

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"vaccine for omicron

A little late there."



.......how do you think vaccine development works?

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"Should we really expect to get vaccinated every 6 months? "


Are you familiar with the flu?

[Edited on January 25, 2022 at 4:43 PM. Reason : E]

1/25/2022 4:41:51 PM

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.......how do you think vaccine development works?"


exactly. Omicron has only been around a few months, right? Did you expect them to start working on a vaccine for it before it was even a thing?

1/25/2022 4:46:09 PM

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"And even if it did, that could take months, probably years."


Right, it's been two years now, that's my point - how many lives could have been saved by making this a focus of the daily cov!d coverage not just by politicians, but by the medical industry, Fauci, etc., the actual "experts" not just Trump or Biden.

1/25/2022 4:46:29 PM

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Almost none. Because obese people already know that they're more at risk for complications from any illness, or that obesity may lead to other illnesses that will make them sicker or kill them. You truly think that if the "experts" told them they needed to lose weight because of Covid, they'd all of a sudden do it? You're trolling, right? You can't seriously think you're making a good argument.

1/25/2022 4:51:31 PM

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Experts could barely get people to wear masks and get a shot, but they would have success with major lifestyle changes?

1/25/2022 4:58:07 PM

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But the way it is going through communities, everyone will have had it by the time they release it.

And I don't recall the last time I've gotten my annual flu shot every 6 months.

1/25/2022 4:58:12 PM

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So youre ok with an annual shot just not a bi annual shot?

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"But the way it is going through communities, everyone will have had it by the time they release it.
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So just don't bother then

[Edited on January 25, 2022 at 5:07 PM. Reason : E]

1/25/2022 5:06:31 PM

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^^again, do you think they should have started working on it prior to it being a thing? Or do you think it should have been developed in a couple months? Or do you think it's a waste of time even developing one?

1/25/2022 5:08:09 PM

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We’ve known all along that people with underlying conditions (which would include obesity) are at greater risk. That information hasn’t been downplayed that I ever noticed.

1/25/2022 6:02:24 PM

thegoodlife3
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call me crazy, but I’m fine taking a semi-annual vaccine that will prevent me from going into the ICU and potentially dying

I don’t understand why this is how conservatives are now moving the goalposts when it comes to vaccines

1/25/2022 6:33:27 PM

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An Oklahoma City hospital reported on CBS Evening News that they have approximately a 50% fatality rate for unvaccinated individuals with COVID entering the ICU. Way to show the gubmint!

This is so freakin' stupid. It's very difficult to remain sympathetic with unvaccinated people getting sick.

1/25/2022 7:14:04 PM

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http://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1486154086877650945

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" Alex Berenson tells Fox viewers: "The mRNA COVID vaccines need to be withdrawn from the market. No one should get them. No one should get boosted. No one should get double boosted. They are a dangerous and ineffective product at this point." https://t.co/fq6fPSdafO"


on the highest rated show on cable news

this is an exact reason why nobody on the right should be given any benefit of the doubt when talking about vaccines

1/26/2022 12:43:53 AM

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"it’s pretty cute that in the mind of a leftist authoritarian, those on the right watch Fox News religiously

in 2022"

1/26/2022 5:15:07 AM

StTexan
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although people on the right do tend to watch fox news heavily

nttawwt

1/26/2022 6:31:09 AM

GoldieO
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Just a lazy way to put people into groups who don't think like you, I'm guilty of it too. But seriously, I couldn't tell you the last time I intentionally watched Fox News, it's been probably 4+ years. Other than seeing a clip of Tucker or Gutfeld occasionally on twitter, that's about it. Their audience is just boomers and Teenage Republicans now.

1/26/2022 6:50:55 AM

The Coz
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So give us the inside track. Where do the cool middle-aged Republicans get their propaganda these days? Mainly social media? Or Newsmax and OAN?

1/26/2022 8:08:13 AM

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Actually I get my news from WRAL, wapo, and sometimes the CBS evening news if I have the TV on. I read CNN just for kicks and giggles.

1/26/2022 8:22:16 AM

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^^Guessing some hot takes from Ben Shabibo and Louder with Crowder? Maybe the Klandace Owens podcast?

[Edited on January 26, 2022 at 8:25 AM. Reason : ]

1/26/2022 8:24:48 AM

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Isn't FoxNews America's most-watched cable network? And Tucker's show is the most watched show on the network. So yeah, a lot of Americans watch it pretty religiously.

^^and why won't you give your opinion on the Omicron vaccine?

1/26/2022 8:54:51 AM

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[quote]I don't understand why more focus wasn't placed on preventable co-morbs[quote]

A virus is killing people right now, and there are things to be done right now to prevent that, and you're confused why they didn't put a big focus on other things that could be done slowly over a period of months or years that would prevent some of it?

There's a limited amount of bandwidth on both ends. Every minute Fauci spends calling people fat is a minute he isn't promoting masks/vaccines/social distancing/other things that save lives in the immediate term. On the receiving end, people struggled with even those messages - and you want to add more complex and challenging stuff into the mix.

You fat-hating people are a weird bunch. It's almost like you take other people's weight personally, and the disgust with which you discuss the issue is palpable. And it's almost never, "We should restructure American agriculture and food marketing rules from the top down," it's "These gross fatties need to fucking fix themselves." Like, I'm not obese, and for reasons ranging from national security to public health to insurance premiums I would like for fewer people to be obese, but I don't think these people are revulsive.

1/26/2022 9:07:49 AM

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I'm still fat. Don't wanna be, but I am.

Fat phobia is tied to authoritarian thinking.

1/26/2022 9:19:47 AM

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"So give us the inside track. Where do the cool middle-aged Republicans get their propaganda these days? Mainly social media? Or Newsmax and OAN?"


Thanks to having no time to read or watch anything anymore, I mainly rely on social media and podcasts, but thanks to a short commute my podcast consumption has become pretty minimal. Honestly my primary focus is on local government in my town, but for national news I'll check Ace of Spades 1-2x a week and jump on twitter if there's breaking news. Never watched OAN and only seen clips from Newsmax - they're basically Fox News lite, definitely not some hard right option. Also no, no Shapiro or Crowder and definitely no Owens.


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"Isn't FoxNews America's most-watched cable network? And Tucker's show is the most watched show on the network. So yeah, a lot of Americans watch it pretty religiously."


That's not saying much anymore. This isn't 1976 where 30 million people a night tune into the nightly news. I think Tucker averages somewhere around 3-4 million viewers, but I'd guess those are mainly boomers.

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"A virus is killing people right now..."


Again, this has been going on for two years. My only question has been why haven't the medical expert class just emphasized weight loss more in addition to all the other recommended measures. That's all.

1/26/2022 9:42:54 AM

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"Fox News lite, definitely not some hard right option"


Fox News #1 draw is tucker Carlson who regularly endorse white supremacist ideas like "the great replacement", just this week endorsed Russia and shits on people like Ted Cruz for stepping even an inch out of line. Fox News isn't hard right?

1/26/2022 9:49:06 AM

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wait, what if we made a virus that fought the other virus. couldn't we have been over this sooner? anyone else thought of this?

[Edited on January 26, 2022 at 9:52 AM. Reason : .]

1/26/2022 9:51:51 AM

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" Never watched OAN and only seen clips from Newsmax - they're basically Fox News lite, definitely not some hard right option."


Are you saying Newsmax and OAN aren’t as far right as Fox?

1/26/2022 10:29:36 AM

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^^Yeah, I think a lot of post-apocalyptic and dystopian authors and filmmakers have thought of this already. Works well! We should do it.

1/26/2022 10:33:08 AM

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^^ No. They're just more status-quo Conservative, Inc. types, Newsmax at least, limited exposure to OAN except I think I follow one of their reporters on twitter maybe. We're getting off topic now.

1/26/2022 10:43:55 AM

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because the topic is dumb

1/26/2022 10:57:12 AM

rwoody
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^^^
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That being said I do wonder the ethics of some mad scientist engineering a version of Covid with no harmful viral activity but still triggering an immune response to build antibodies. Basically like a vaccination that spreads itself. This has happened with computer viruses and if bio tech now is sophisticated enough (I don’t know if it is) to target this type of evolution, would be hard to stop someone from releasing it…

1/4/2022 1:07:36 AM

rwoody
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That's the premise of the start of Will Smith I Am Legend

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1/26/2022 11:02:06 AM

thegoodlife3
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you don’t have to watch Fox News to fall victim to their misinformation

there are plenty of right wing outlets who are more than happy to launder their misinfo. they just happen to be at the top of the bubble.

1/26/2022 11:21:33 AM

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missed this earlier:

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this is extremely telling

you don’t follow one of their reporters. you follow one of their propagandists.

1/26/2022 11:55:37 AM

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My Twitter feed is filled with accounts espousing right-wing viewpoints, and it's absurd how much my mom, who doesn't use Twitter, repeats the same exact talking points, verbatim, when I talk to her.

1/26/2022 12:02:39 PM

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Someone was asking about my opinion on omicron...what opinion is there to give? From anecdotal evidence, I've seen (personally as well) that it's extremely mild. Nearly everyone in my neighborhood has had it. I still don't have taste or smell, which isn't even a prevailing symptom with omicron but oh well. Everybody's cases around me were mild. Some have been vaccinated, some have not, and did not notice a difference between the two.

That's just what I've seen.

But according to the news outlets, hospitalizations are still rising, so it must be pretty bad for some people.

So...my opinion is...omicron is mild?

Or would you like me to opine on the conspiracy theory that it too was created in a lab, to combat the more harmful variants? I've heard that one. I've not heard any clear evidence to back the claim up.

1/26/2022 12:03:39 PM

thegoodlife3
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^^ I don’t have a first-hand experience like that, but that’s the exact point I was making

1/26/2022 12:20:24 PM

Bullet
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^^no, I actually provided you three specific questions about the vaccine after you commented "too late", or whatever. Do you think they should have started working on before it was a thing, or do you think that a vaccine should have been developed in a couple months, or do you think its a waste of time developing a vaccine for it?

1/26/2022 12:27:14 PM

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I don't know man, I feel like with the rapid nature of the spread for omicron, it's almost a waste of time. If the larger population is like my neighborhood, then we've all already been exposed.

1/26/2022 1:30:40 PM

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