Super Bowls

Rivers 0

Manning 1


/argument


You are acting like Manning has played god aweful. Its not like he is Dilfer the year the Ravens went, or hell, even Rex last year with the Bears. Manning has played solid throughout the playoffs and is pretty much the main reason the Giants are in the Super Bowl.

If you fail to see this, you are just totally blinded by your man love for Rivers. Hell, every list of QBs playoff performances had Eli above Rivers. I even recall Rivers being at the bottom of one list.

[Edited on January 22, 2008 at 1:22 AM. Reason : .]

1/22/2008 1:19:42 AM

you're right, mannings super bowl appearance has nothing to do with his teams better rushing game during the playoffs & his teams being in the nfc

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"i know im one of the few, if not the only person who measures qbs more on stats than super bowls (thanks to such great super bowl qbs as doug williams, rex grossman, trent dilfer, & tony eason among others)"

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"i dont think that terry bradshaw, trent dilfer, & doug williams are better than jim kelly, dan marino, & fran tarkenton"

1/22/2008 1:24:50 AM

Super Bowl Wins

Trent Dilfer 1

Peyton Manning 1

Trent Dilfer is just as good as Peyton Manning!

1/22/2008 1:28:36 AM

You wanna talk about running and how it relates to the success of a QB. How well did the Chargers play without LT? Granted Rivers was hurt, but if he was so hurt it was affecting his play, the backup would have been in.

Funny, LT barely plays, and the Chargers can't even score a TD.

1/22/2008 1:29:30 AM

and for a couple years, dilfer was better than peyton, cause dilfer had a ring while manning had 0

/thread


amirite mcguyver?

1/22/2008 1:29:46 AM

You wanna talk about running and how it relates to the success of a QB. How well did the Chargers play without LT? Granted Rivers was hurt, but if he was so hurt it was affecting his play, the backup would have been in.

Funny, LT barely plays, and the Chargers can't even score a TD.

Wow, this is almost getting pathetic. Shit, you can make up excuses that Tom Brady isn't any good because of this and that. blah blah blah. The fact is, Manning played well during the regular season, and had a spectacular playoffs. And he is playing in a Super Bowl. Get over the fact that he made it there before Rivers and stop making pathetic excuses.

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"and for a couple years, dilfer was better than peyton, cause dilfer had a ring while manning had 0 /thread amirite mcguyver? "

Not even close. First of all, every football fan knows that the Ravens only won because of their hostoric defense that year. Dilfer had mediocre stats at best.

Secondly, you spelled my name wrong.


[Edited on January 22, 2008 at 1:36 AM. Reason : .]

1/22/2008 1:32:13 AM

^ uh huh because the quarterback is the only variable in a team getting to the super bowl

1/22/2008 1:35:11 AM

Didn't say it was, but you guys are acting like Manning doesn't deserve to be there, and that Rivers stats are OMG SO FUCKING BETTER than Mannings. Right now, they have had pretty equal careers, and the Chargers are a far better team than the Giants to begin with. So you could say Manning has made it farther with less.

Just suck it up and deal with the fact you are going to have to watch Manning in the SB and not Rivers.

I am done here.


/common sense

[Edited on January 22, 2008 at 1:40 AM. Reason : /]

1/22/2008 1:38:15 AM

Since when is just making a superbowl a great accomplishment?

Especially considering the disparity in the leagues these days.

I mean, look at the stars we have here with the great accomplishment of making it to the superbowl

Rex Grossman
Jake Delhomme
Rich Gannon
Kerry Collins
Chris Chandler
Neil O'Donnell

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"Chargers are a far better team than the Giants to begin with."

When they were both drafted the Chargers had the #1 overall pick.

[Edited on January 22, 2008 at 1:43 AM. Reason : How could I forget Rex?]

1/22/2008 1:41:00 AM

please give me an example of where i said "brady isnt any good"

and thanks for making my point for me about the running game, manning had a better one & was thus able to use that to his advantage, as i said

and please look at the regular season stats for eli before making things up such as him "playing well during the regular season" (28th in yds/att, 29th in comp %, 26th in int %, 25th in rating)

for comparison...rex grossman in 2006 was 17th in yds/att, 28th in comp %, 29th in int %, & 24th in rating


i also never said eli wasnt deserving of being in the super bowl, but you obviously dont bother reading posts, looking up stats, or think twice about making your stupid comments

all im saying is if he wasnt in ny, nobody would know who the hell he is until now (with his being in the super bowl)

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"So you could say Manning has made it farther with less"

you mean with rivers having his starting rb injured and only playing 3 plays in the conf championship game?
or do you mean b/c rivers had better receivers?
or is it due to him having a better head coach?

[Edited on January 22, 2008 at 1:44 AM. Reason : .]

1/22/2008 1:41:17 AM

^^^i'm not trying to say that one's better than the other really, i'm just pointing out what i think are terrible arguments. for instance saying that since manning got there with a worse team therefore he's better is misleading in my opinion, because they played different teams to get there.

[Edited on January 22, 2008 at 1:44 AM. Reason : .]

1/22/2008 1:43:03 AM

Gonna have to chime back in for this one. Show me a great QB who has never made it to a Super Bowl.

^Ok, then Rivers stats are only better because they didn't play the same teams.

I mean really people. Give it a rest.

[Edited on January 22, 2008 at 1:44 AM. Reason : /]

1/22/2008 1:43:06 AM

1/22/2008 1:44:40 AM

Quote :

"Show me a great QB who has never made it to a Super Bowl."

i can give you 3 off the top of my head

in no particular order: dan fouts, archie manning, & warren moon

1/22/2008 1:46:59 AM

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"Ok, then Rivers stats are only better because they didn't play the same teams."

Haha what a horrible rebuttal and you know it.

1/22/2008 1:50:12 AM

^Archie

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"His record as a starter was 35-101-3 (26.3%), the worst in NFL history among QB's with at least 100 starts."

Fucking badass if you ask me.

^Same thing as you guys are doing. See, I can make up excuses too.

[Edited on January 22, 2008 at 1:51 AM. Reason : /]

1/22/2008 1:50:36 AM

Yeah Archie was a terrible example. I have no idea why he picked him.

But Moon and Fouts were GREAT quarterbacks, better than Rex Grossman or Kerry Collins have ever been or ever will be.

1/22/2008 1:53:25 AM

george blanda

1/22/2008 1:53:39 AM

^^^i thought stats couldnt tell you everything about a qb?

he had literally no one else on his team offensively or defensively and still put up above avg numbers for qbs in his day

its widely believed among knowledgeable football people (feel free to ask some sometime) that if he had anything resembling a supporting cast he would have been able to make a run in the playoffs

[Edited on January 22, 2008 at 1:54 AM. Reason : .]

1/22/2008 1:53:59 AM

Quote :

"^^^i thought stats couldnt tell you everything about a qb? "

They can't. I was just being like you guys and making up an excuse as to why Archie was no good.

And speaking of stats, David Carr lead the NFL in completion % last year. How well did that work out for him?

But you guys talk about stats so much, how could someone who leads the NFL in completion % almost be out of a job.

1/22/2008 1:58:32 AM

b/c you look at a collection of stats, not just one

stats such as ny/a, any/a, td%, int %, y/c


anyone can take 1 stat & use it out of context, like youve tried to do twice now in the span of 10 posts

1/22/2008 2:00:21 AM

Eh, we should stop arguing with the troll.

Every argument you shoot down he acts like he never made it, moves on to another one, then comes back to the first one later, hoping nobody remembers how much he got owned.

What happened to your "Show me a great QB who has never made it to a Super Bowl" argument?

[Edited on January 22, 2008 at 2:02 AM. Reason : ]

Quote :

"(feel free to ask some sometime)"

Ya betta ask someboddddddaaaaaayyyyyyy!



[Edited on January 22, 2008 at 2:03 AM. Reason : ]

1/22/2008 2:01:23 AM

It wasn't an argument, it was a question. Point is, more great QBs have made it to the Super Bowl than have not. The great ones always seem to find a way. "Elite" QBs, such as they are referring to Manning as.

Well this argument is over I see.


Its been fun guys, see ya.

1/22/2008 2:04:34 AM

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"Point is, more great QBs have made it to the Super Bowl than have not."

So you're saying some great QB's don't get to the Super Bowl. Why then are you using Super Bowl appearances as a measure of how good one quarterback is versus another?

1/22/2008 2:09:36 AM

this argument got stupid quickly

eli has played better in the postseason and his team looked FAR better than the chargers

whatever - just let it go

1/22/2008 8:03:51 AM

Quote :

"You are acting like Manning has played god aweful. Its not like he is Dilfer the year the Ravens went, or hell, even Rex last year with the Bears. Manning has played solid throughout the playoffs and is pretty much the main reason the Giants are in the Super Bowl"

That statement is true.

1/22/2008 8:11:22 AM

End of the day, Eli Manning hasn't turned the ball over during the playoffs and is doing what's asked of him to win games.

Rivers didn't.

They're both young and, assuming the Chargers become less reliant on their "disappear in big games" running back, they should both have successful, long careers.

1/22/2008 8:45:13 AM

let's just hope they fix his legs

1/22/2008 8:55:49 AM

At the end of the day Eli plays in the NFC and Philip plays in the AFC. It's like playing in the Big Ten vs playing in the SEC, you can try and say they're the same, but they're really not.

1/22/2008 9:47:49 AM

^Agreed. Though I have to admit Eli did play well to help the Giants get to the SB

1/22/2008 9:57:08 AM

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"At the end of the day Eli plays in the NFC East and Philip plays in the AFC West. It's like playing in the SEC vs playing in the Big Ten, you can try and say they're the same, but they're really not."

1/22/2008 9:57:30 AM

Rivers played admirably to not have an ACL, and taking several cheap shots on the injured leg. Also, one of his picks should have come back, as he was tripped as he stepped into the throw (watch the replay, NE rusher sticks his leg up from the ground and trips him). And it sucked they couldn't punch it into the end zone. Losing LT hurt, but I think an ineffective Gates hurt the offense even more. Gates is their red zone go-to receiver, and opens up a lot of space in the passing game. Unlike LT with Michael Turner, they don't have a backup that can replicate Gates's role on any level.

1/22/2008 10:19:37 AM

This thread has gotten so gay. They both had pretty shitty regular seasons. They both played well in the playoffs. They are both going to end their seasons with a loss to the Patriots. /thread till the Fall

1/22/2008 10:31:51 AM

I'm not saying Philip had a harder road to the playoffs (although I don't think Eli's was too much harder with that stretch of the Jets, Falcons, 49ers and Dolphins all in a row), I'm saying he had a harder road to the superbowl.

1/22/2008 10:33:10 AM

I don't know if I can agree with you on the harder road to the Super Bowl.

The Wildcard Round was a wash for both teams. The Titans have a great Defense and no offense. The Buccaneers were in a shitty division that was easy to win.

The Chargers went in to Indy to play what most experts said was the 2nd best team in the NFL. The Giants beat a Cowboys team that had coasted the last 3 games of the season and coasted in to the playoffs.

Both teams won those games but the Chargers were banged up going into the AFC title game to play the best team in football on their field.

The Giants had to battle the elements with a banged up Secondary. I would say both were equally impressive and had the Chargers been healthy they may have beaten the Patriots. Teams that win in the playoffs are generally the ones that are healthiest.

1/22/2008 12:29:21 PM

Jim Rome is blowing Rivers up on his show right now. Taking back his "Ryan Leaf" comment he made last week and saying Rivers' performance on Sunday was "Ronnie Lott-breaking-his-finger-off" type stuff.

I have such a love/hate relationship with Rome. Definitely loving him right now.

1/22/2008 1:07:35 PM

hahaha, he did the same with Mario earlier this year

1/22/2008 1:16:47 PM

Radio show, or "Rome is Burning" on ESPN?

1/22/2008 3:16:33 PM

Well considering the TV show doesn't come on till 4:30......

1/22/2008 3:18:20 PM

I didn't even know he still had a show.

1/22/2008 4:36:01 PM

god, who do I hate more...Rome or Cowherd...it's like giant douche vs turd sandwich

1/22/2008 4:36:54 PM

^yeah i know. At least Rome has the balls to admid it when he's wrong (sometimes).

1/22/2008 5:48:29 PM

Rivers would have been in the Super Bowl last year if not for that stupid corner back (cant remember his name). Remember, he intercepted a 3rd or 4th and forever ball and made it about 2 yards, then fumbled it to give the Pats a first and 10 from the 20 yard line or so with like 2 minutes left. He basically gave them the game. All he had to do was fall down and the Chargers had the game won.

Its funny how all the announcers forget about stuff like this......Rivers league has the top three teams in the NFL (Colts Pats and Chargers).....nuff said. They played for the Super Bowl title last Sunday Folks..

[Edited on January 22, 2008 at 7:50 PM. Reason : league]

1/22/2008 7:48:15 PM

it was marlon mccree, but i don't see how you can say rivers and the chargers would have made it to the super bowl last year if it weren't for that play -- it was in the second round, not the AFC championship

stupid logic

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"Rivers league has the top three teams in the NFL (Colts Pats and Chargers)"

no

[Edited on January 22, 2008 at 7:53 PM. Reason : ]

1/22/2008 7:51:40 PM

^^^If only "woulda, shoulda, coulda" was good enough to win a football game.


Brett Favre should be in the Super Bowl then because he shoulda not thrown that INT in overtime



STFU with your excuses.

1/22/2008 10:05:15 PM

^I thought you were done with this thread like 10 posts ago?

Rivers>tOSU or UGA QBs in the NFL now....

But seriously you always argued how Vick made the Pro Bowl....how about this number:

PRO BOWLS: Rivers 1 Manning 0

1/22/2008 11:41:05 PM

^^going on the assumption that the best team in the league makes it to the super bowl. The Pats therefore were the "best" team in the league. Therefore by beating them, the Chargers would have made it.

1/23/2008 5:54:47 PM

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"With honors QB Class of '04 finally maturing into starring roles Posted: Wednesday January 23, 2008 11:37AM; Updated: Wednesday January 23, 2008 11:46AM At this time four years ago, the New England Patriots were getting ready to win the Super Bowl and three young quarterbacks were getting ready to take over the league. There was the little brother with the big arm from Ole Miss, the willful leader with the awkward motion from NC State and the nimble giant with the wild streak from Miami of Ohio. All three were going to be first-round picks and franchise-altering quarterbacks. That much was obvious. But which one of them was going to be best? The debate, which began about this time four years ago, is no closer to a resolution. The quarterback class of 2004 -- the Giants' Eli Manning, the Chargers' Philip Rivers and the Steelers' Ben Roethlisberger -- is just as hard to figure out as ever. In '04, Manning appeared to be the best quarterback in his class, considering he went first in the draft. In '05, it was Roethlisberger, considering he won the Super Bowl. In '06, it was Rivers, considering he went to the Pro Bowl. And now, with the Giants off to face the Patriots in the Super Bowl, Manning has come full circle, valedictorian again. Manning's victory in the NFC Championship Game was a victory for all of the '04 quarterbacks. In four years, two of them have reached the Super Bowl. The third one, Rivers, has reached the AFC Championship Game. In fact, all of them made the playoffs this season. By contrast, the similarly decorated quarterback class of '06 -- Vince Young, Matt Leinart and Jay Cutler -- has been to one playoff game combined. Comparing NFL quarterbacks can be a futile exercise, especially when Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are involved. But with the class of '04, comparisons come naturally. Unlike Brady and Peyton, these three made mistakes. They suffered indignities. They endured criticism. And they appear to have emerged the stronger for it. From the beginning, they took unnecessary risks. Manning pulled a power play before the '04 draft, forcing San Diego to trade him to New York. Roethlisberger rode his motorcycle around Pittsburgh with no helmet. And as recently as this season, Rivers was scolded by the NFL's etiquette police for talking back to fans and opposing players. All three quarterbacks have long been prone to caricature. In '05 and '06, Roethlisberger was the superstar, Manning the bust, Rivers the bench warmer. For two years, Roethlisberger could do no wrong in Pittsburgh, Manning could do no right in New York, and Rivers could do nothing at all in San Diego, sitting behind Drew Brees. Then, in one offseason, they swapped roles. Roethlisberger crashed his motorcycle, suffered a concussion, and promptly led the league in interceptions. Manning retreated from the spotlight and learned under his veteran teammates. Rivers emerged as suddenly as Roethlisberger had, winning 14 games with his three-quarter delivery. But nothing seems to last for these guys. After coaching changes in San Diego and Pittsburgh last offseason, Rivers struggled while Roethlisberger thrived. Then Roethlisberger struggled while Rivers thrived. In a stunning upset, though, Manning became the most consistent passer of the three, winning 10 straight road games, three in the playoffs. Still, in the shadow of Brady and Peyton, the nitpicking never ends: Eli is too aloof in the huddle, Rivers too vocal on the sideline, Roethlisberger too reckless off the field. Manning can wing the ball, but can he control it? Rivers can control it, but can he wing it? Roethlisberger can do it all, but what about his decision-making? The NFL experienced a quarterback crisis this season. The league needed Manning, Rivers and Roethlisberger to become headliners. Instead, it got Vinny Testaverde and Kurt Warner. But in the past few weeks, the class of '04 came of age. Roethlisberger tried to lead the Steelers with a depleted running game. Rivers tried to lead the Chargers on a torn ACL. Manning led the Giants to the Super Bowl. They have provided hope for the future of the forward pass. And in so doing, they have also provided hope for that next generation of young quarterbacks, the class of '06."

[Edited on January 23, 2008 at 9:40 PM. Reason : ]

1/23/2008 9:40:31 PM

1/24/2008 10:58:58 PM

Mother fucker is about to have his 4th kid. He's knocking that shit out. Hopefully he has a male this time so he can beat it down the road of quarterback greatness and right to NC State.

1/24/2008 11:15:43 PM