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"alright, stone haters! you KNOW jay davis wouldn't've done that shit!"

Georgia Tech

Davis to Clark

I seem to remember we won that game

11/13/2005 8:19:29 PM

lock/suspend

11/13/2005 8:22:58 PM

why?

because i made a true and valid point?

or because you just don't wanna hear it?

[Edited on November 13, 2005 at 8:27 PM. Reason : ]

11/13/2005 8:27:03 PM

i hate marcus stone

but jay davis would not have done that shit

stone had to escape the pocket and make a pass on the move

if davis would have been under center, it would have been 2 points for bc

11/13/2005 8:42:53 PM

Ok, Davis's pass to Clark against GT was about an 8 yard slant and he got lucky that Clark was fast enough to split the safeties.

But a 30 yard pass IN THE AIR that carried over the defenders head...WHICH HE THREW OFF BALANCE....ARE YOU SAYING JAY DAVIS COULD HAVE DONE THAT?????????????

You're retarded.

11/13/2005 8:47:24 PM

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" Georgia Tech Davis to Clark I seem to remember we won that game"

B/c jay threw the ball 10 yards... Marcus threw it 50 in the air...

11/13/2005 8:50:59 PM

ok then

what about the flea flicker for the first TD of the GT game?

the ball just jet propelled itself 30 some yards?

11/13/2005 8:54:47 PM

The thread that put CharlieEFH in his place last week after the FS game gets locked and removed and this one doesn't?

11/13/2005 8:57:20 PM

OH MAN ITS TIME TO POINT OUT THE 5 GOOD PLAYS DAVIS MADE TO PROVE YOUR INVALID POINT LIKE YOU DID WEEKS AGO


yeah...that was a good throw...he had to rear back and use every bit of his strength if i recall correctly

oh, but stone just flicked it 30 yards to brian

Why do you keep bringing this up....the O-line sucked last night anyway, you cant judge stone after that piss poor performance from his protection.

11/13/2005 8:58:14 PM

I say we give Jay a chance! Right when he was about to get going we took him out

11/13/2005 8:59:28 PM

^Tell you what. Let's let Stone finish this season out and let Jay Davis start for us next season

11/13/2005 9:02:18 PM

LETS LOCK THIS FUCKING THREAD AND STOP BITCHING ABOUT OUR HORRIBLE QB SITUATION

YOU CANT FIX THE QB UNLESS YOU FIX THE O-LINE

11/13/2005 9:07:52 PM

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"OH MAN ITS TIME TO POINT OUT THE 5 GOOD PLAYS DAVIS MADE TO PROVE YOUR INVALID POINT LIKE YOU DID WEEKS AGO "

So Stone had an awesome BC game after he threw 1 really good TD pass?

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"YOU CANT FIX THE QB UNLESS YOU FIX THE O-LINE"

but we did "fix" the qb

which in my opinion was pointless

which is why I make my argument

because Stone himself does not give us a better opportunity to win

Chuck only put him in to rally the fans around the team

11/13/2005 9:19:33 PM

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"you cant judge stone after that piss poor performance from his protection. "

EVERYONE judges Davis based on that too...

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"The thread that put CharlieEFH in his place last week after the FS game gets locked and removed and this one doesn't?"

what place?

i was put in my place because Andre Brown and our defense won a game where Stone was officially given the title of quarterback so that he could hand the ball off to Brown so that Brown could run a lot and score some touchdowns?

i fail to see how Marcus Stone won any of our games for us

i also fail to see how Jay Davis could not have won those games if he was in the same position because frankly the qb didn't do anything spectacular for the 2 games prior to this one

I mean if Jay Davis woulda played those games, you guys would be giving the credit to Brown and the defense, as it should be given

Marcus Stone hasn't proven to be the better qb in my opinion




[Edited on November 13, 2005 at 9:27 PM. Reason : d]

[Edited on November 13, 2005 at 9:31 PM. Reason : also, i didn't really mind that thread nor did i ask for it to be locked, i was just as surprised ]

11/13/2005 9:22:33 PM

WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

cry about it, why dont ya





[Edited on November 13, 2005 at 9:46 PM. Reason : ]

11/13/2005 9:44:50 PM

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"i fail to see how Marcus Stone won any of our games for us i also fail to see how Jay Davis could not have won those games if he was in the same position because frankly the qb didn't do anything spectacular for the 2 games prior to this one I mean if Jay Davis woulda played those games, you guys would be giving the credit to Brown and the defense, as it should be given"

Your right Stone dosen't win games for us, but atleast he dosen't really lose them for us. Davis will make terrible passes even when he has time to throw and worse ones when hes pressured. How many times did he over throw or throw behind open recievers even when he had time? Stone is just the lesser of two evils right now.

11/13/2005 9:53:30 PM

GOD DAMMIT

WHY ARE WE STILL DISCUSSING THIS

11/13/2005 9:53:59 PM

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"GOD DAMMIT WHY ARE WE STILL DISCUSSING THIS"

11/13/2005 9:56:24 PM

seriously

they are both horrible quarterbacks

if you think either is 'the answer' you are an idiot

if you think either gives us a 'better chance to win' you are an idiot

admit it

stop trying to act like your man is better

THEY BOTH FUCKING SUCK

11/13/2005 9:57:58 PM

^^, ^^^ CharlieEFH

He posted this in (yet) another Stone thread of his origin.

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"you know what it boils down to? i graduate this year so i don't really care as much about next year as much as you guys b/c i probably won't be around to see games next season"

You'll probably be hearing this until the end of the year. The good thing is that you won't be hearing it next season either way.


[Edited on November 13, 2005 at 9:59 PM. Reason : ^]

11/13/2005 9:58:42 PM

because its fun

and an injustice has occurred in wolfpack nation and i won't rest until its fixed

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"but atleast he dosen't really lose them for us."

hahahaahahaahhaha

i mean i guess you could go with "the lesser of the two evils argument" if you want to

Stone did throw two INTs in the USM game, and with 4 turnovers total we would have lost that game to any ACC team (Jay probably coulda thrown 20 and we still woulda won)

and he just basically didn't throw the ball last week so of course he wouldn't have any interceptions

and he did have one yesterday

11/13/2005 10:03:10 PM

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"GOD DAMMIT WHY ARE WE STILL DISCUSSING THIS"

11/13/2005 10:12:51 PM

They both fucking suck.

Stone can scramble/run better than Davis.

Davis is a more accurate passer.

Stone throws the better deep ball.

Davis is better at running the offense (meaning that he will at least occasionally check off his receivers and call an audible).

They both suck, and we'll suck next year unless we can pull in a transfer like Brent Schaeffer (please God) that can scamble because our Offensive Line also sucks ass.

11/13/2005 10:27:07 PM

charlie - eat a dick. both qb's suck. That being said, Davis in particular sucks so hard its silly

11/13/2005 10:54:36 PM

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"Without a run game to support him he is no better than Jay Davis. He has a better arm than Jay but Jay isn't afraid to throw the ball, interception or not, down by 2 TD's and he's tucking the ball every play we have about as much chance as we do throwing INT's."

The point is, all NC State fans were booing Jay and riding him too damn hard and it wasnt nearly ALL his fault. Chuck is to blame and nobody else. Because you know what? It's HIS job to get a good quarterback, it's HIS job to get an offensive line, and it's HIS job to hire the right coordinators and assistants.

11/13/2005 10:58:51 PM

and to hold on to those coordinators

i hear norm chow did some pretty good stuff when he left state

11/13/2005 11:13:48 PM

^ ditto.

Anybody notice that Stone did very well passing yesterday, when the coach called pass plays AND he had time to throw? his one interception that everybody talks about was because the ref was right in front of the the D player that caught it.

11/13/2005 11:13:49 PM

^^^I can agree with that. Hopefully this Burke kid can turn things around for him...only thing is that Stone was just as highly rated...see how that turned out. I wasnt booing Jay, nor do I think Stone is the man...although I want him in this year. The problem is that neither one of them are worth a shit without an O-line, so we'll never know. Someone in another thread made a good point...fucking phillip rivers wouldn't have won the game last night with that pass protection. Nobody is going to argue with that (except you charlie...because you're a dumbass), so lets reserve judgement on Stone until he has protection like Davis did during the VT game.

**I do agree that stone made some piss poor decisions in the game last night, and some while he had decent protection. I just think that it snowballed after TJ dropped that pass because his confidence dropped, then he got sacked a hundred times.

[Edited on November 13, 2005 at 11:19 PM. Reason : ]

11/13/2005 11:19:08 PM

^^WTF are you talking about?????

Stone is probably one of the worst ACC QB's I've seen throw the ball that wasn't a 4th string QB put in during garbage time (and don't get me wrong, Jay Davis isn't too far behind).

Yeah...he's thrown a few nice balls...but so have I during my flag football days. "A broken clock is right twice a day". That's what comes to mind when I see Marcus Stone throw the football. Great throw Marcus...now lets watch the next 8 balls go flying over the receivers head, fall 5 feet short, or go 10 feet left or right. Everyone is right...he doesn't throw a lot of interceptions...that's because he tucks and runs, gets sacked, or throws the ball so fucking horrible that its not even close to the opposing team's DB.

I've never felt so helpless watching our offense this year...whether it be Davis or Stone behind the center. It's the EXACT opposite of having Philip there. With Philip it was like..."it doesn't matter if it's 3rd and 15, Philip is about to throw a rope down the field for 20yds". With Stone and Davis (and moreso Stone in my opinion)..."by the grace of God we are going to throw for a first down".

[Edited on November 13, 2005 at 11:24 PM. Reason : ^^]

11/13/2005 11:23:52 PM

^^^^Hold on to the Offensive and Defensive Coordinators....get rid of the fucking O-line coach. Mike Barry...our offensive line has gotten progressively worse over the year. Yeah...we've had a few injuries...but so has every other team in the NCAA. Our O-line play is pathetic.

11/13/2005 11:26:18 PM

after the first quarter of the VT game, I was so fucking excited about this year of football...just because I thought Tresman had come in here and really done something. Even after the game, we looked so promising. Our O-line looked great, our receivers were making plays after the catch, and our play calling was unpredictable.


The only thing that changed after that game was the O-line started sucking. Why????????

Who fucking knows, but that was the last game where our QB had enough time to throw the ball. Bitch about Stone or Davis all you want, but the game is won (or in our case...lost) in the trenches....period.

[Edited on November 13, 2005 at 11:32 PM. Reason : ]

11/13/2005 11:32:13 PM

Oh I agree....only for the reason that if we had a decent O-line our running backs would run all over the fucking place. Our QB's would still suck ass...just not as much ass.

11/13/2005 11:37:45 PM

exactly wolfAApack, you are absolutely right

it has been our common problem all year long - the VT game; I have no idea why it is so hard for them to get in the way of someone running at the QB but apparently it is for them

also, the most common problem here, besides the o-line play, is Amato; i'm sorry, i know he isn't the worst coach ever and I don't know who else we actually would be able to get in but something has got to change...we are always goin to win a couple of games that seem like upsets b/c he has increased the talent level but his coaching and in-game decision making is simply bad

i was listening to Dave Glenn on sports radio recently and someone called into his show and said that the media had overhyped the talent and that is why we were doing bad and Glenn said that while the media may have overhyped the depth of talent, there is no way on earth they overhyped the top-level talent

he went on to name about 12 guys that any team in the acc would want; Amato in my opinion has shown that he can't win consistently w/ maybe the best qb in the country and he also can't win consistenty w/ the best d in the country

11/13/2005 11:38:16 PM

oh I'm sorry...I must correct myself from earlier


Stone flicked the ball over 50 yards, not 30...could Jay do that???

the answer is no

11/13/2005 11:46:55 PM

^Could Jay have called an audible last night when the defense was tipping their blitz package about 50% of the time?? Yes. That might have helped a little with the sacks.

Bottom line is that they both suck. Jay sucks less at certain things and Marcus sucks less at other things. (BTW...Marcus did underthrow that ball...we're lucky the DB misjudged the ball or we would have walked away from that game without a touchdown).

It's like arguing what's the worst way to get killed. Either way you're dead...and either way we lose. Pick your poison.

11/13/2005 11:52:18 PM

^come on man read the rest of my posts...I'm not saying stone is better...i was just arguing with Charlie caues he's an idiot

If he's going to point out every one of Davis's plays, I'll point out every one of stone's good plays just to fuck with him.

11/14/2005 12:01:37 AM

eh...i didn't read the post of the guy you were replying to. my bad.

11/14/2005 12:18:15 AM

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"If he's going to point out every one of Davis's plays, I'll point out every one of stone's good plays just to fuck with him. "

my entire point is that the number of good plays is about equal, STone doesn't bring a better game to the table that gives us a new edge over our opponents

putting Stone in doesn't help us anymore than having Davis in

but everybody seemed to think it did

but it hasn't

11/14/2005 8:12:24 AM

OMG you are so thick. There is not a single person on this board that is saying Stone is god or that he is even better than Jay. The fact of the matter is, though, that if we are going to suck at QB equally with either one, we may as well play Stone because he will probably be leading us next year and he needs the reps.

11/14/2005 8:23:35 AM

thats what I say. Jay Davis is not gonna make it into the pros (no need for him to try and get better with exp.), and it seems as though Stone is gonna be our man next year, so he can only get better with more experiance, right??

11/14/2005 9:40:34 AM

NEWS FLASH: Stone and Davis are horrible quarterbacks.

11/14/2005 9:43:27 AM

PASSING GP Effic Att-Cmp-Int Pct Yds TD Lng Avg/G
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Davis, J. 6 121.24 180-108-8 60.0 1267 6 80 211.2
Stone, M. 6 112.15 105-48-4 45.7 690 6 96 115.0

both make me sad

[Edited on November 14, 2005 at 10:33 AM. Reason : stats from gopack.com after BC game]

11/14/2005 10:32:15 AM

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"so he can only get better with more experiance, right??"

not if you follow Stone's win trend...since most people seem to think that has meant something...

11/14/2005 10:49:22 AM

lol jbrick thinks he knows all about QB'ing cause he plays flag football. sorry man IM flag football is a joke compared to college football... it's a joke compared to high school football at that. now if you're that spectacular go try out for the team, i would if i had that much talent. btw, the amount of protection time that the O line provides does affect a qb's performance, not just RBs

11/14/2005 10:57:53 AM

People really don't know how to read posts properly....

You said that Stone passed really well. I pretty much said you were blind. Stone did not pass really well. Stone makes a couple nice throws and people have a fucking orgasm and say that he's this amazing passer that would make these passes all game long if we had a decent O-line.

I'm saying that every quarterback is going to make a couple nice throws every game. Just because Marcus Stone made one or two nice passes (the underthrow to Clark was not a good pass...it was a fucking underthrow...and he didn't underthrow it on purpose). My analogy was that just because I made a couple nice tosses one time in a flag football game doesn't mean I'm a good passer (I wasn't saying that I could play college football you dumbass).

Marcus Stone's completion percentage is 45%. He can't pass the ball well. I don't care how bad the O-line is...he would still be a shitty passer if they were good.

11/14/2005 11:05:41 AM

Stone isn't great, but alot of his incompletions are throwaways because there isn't anything open (or at least he doesn't have enough time to get it to someone open). While they don't help sustain a drive, I'd rather have him throw the ball away (or tuck and run) than take a 12 yard sack or throw an INT. Davis's main improvement over last year seemed to be that he replaced some of his INTs with 12 yard sacks.

The obvious advantage Stone has is that we get 2 more years out of him, and he has much more potential than Davis. He has the physical tools and is looking more confident and comfortable when we give him time. We won't be able to tell until Burke gets on campus, but I fully expect Stone to be our starter game 1 of next year. He has just as much of a chance of winning our last 2 games as Davis, and hopefully he'll be a bit better next season thanks to the experience he is getting now. I'm afraid we are going to need a lot more out of our offense next year, as the D will take a serious hit with guys graduating and most likely an early departure. Hopefully our O-line will improve (with Barry or someone else), and the offense as a whole will be better after a full year under Trestman.

11/14/2005 11:14:25 AM

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"The obvious advantage Stone has is that we get 2 more years out of him,"

I would hesitate to call this an advantage.

11/14/2005 11:17:47 AM

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"Davis's main improvement over last year seemed to be that he replaced some of his INTs with 12 yard sacks."

11/14/2005 11:18:46 AM

It is if he can improve with experience, something that never happened for Davis. If we play Stone, he might be a better QB for us next year. "Might" is better odds than Davis.

Worst case scenario: Stone makes no improvement (or I guess major injury), and we go with Burke.
Best case scenario: Stone becomes an improved, confident, QB that puts it all together with the talent we know he has. Middle-of-the-road scenario: Stone is a mediocre QB next year, but a better one than if he'd never played this year.

The Jay Davis era is over. I'd take my chances with Stone.

11/14/2005 11:25:23 AM

I agree that we have to stick with Stone. There really is no reason at all to go back to Davis. Could he give us a better chance of winning the last 2 games?? He might...he might not. If he does, there is still no guarantee that we go to a bowl (one win over a 1-AA opponent AND there could be a lot of ACC bowl-eligible teams). Either way...this season is done. You have to play for next season.

I am just saying that it would take a complete 180 for Stone to show that we have promise for next season. I have seen NOTHING that would make me think he will be good enough for us to be successful next season...shitty O-line or not. Stone is a redshirt sophomore. He has been in the program for 3 years (albeit under different O-coordinators). He played a decent amount last year and has now started in 3 games this year. Although that might not be a lot...it's enough to show something. He's being going against our 1st team defense in practice now for a couple years...he's played against FSU, BC, VT (last year), etc. He hasn't shown SHIT...except for a few nice passes here and there (same thing Davis had shown).

Our best bet is that we get a transfer like Schaeffer (who knows the likeliness of that happening), or that by some miracle, Burke comes in ready to play like Rivers did (although he won't have the benefit of coming in the Spring like Rivers did).

[Edited on November 14, 2005 at 11:36 AM. Reason : .]

11/14/2005 11:34:28 AM