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StTexan
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I forget where, but it was supposed to be around 200 feet and was closer to 350-400

[Edited on January 31, 2025 at 7:39 PM. Reason : In previous post i said plane i meant helicopter]

1/31/2025 7:35:02 PM

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Yeah it was the helicopter who was not at the correct altitude

1/31/2025 8:14:16 PM

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https://bsky.app/profile/bnonews.com/post/3lh3ad2weac2n

2/1/2025 12:43:20 AM

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Am I the only one scared shitless of Trump/ Musk "plugging in" to the aviation system to make rapid safety changes?

One of the reasons that our ATC system is considered the safest in the world is because our changes are slow, thought out, purposeful, and done with a priority on safety. "Rapid" is not in line with any of this.

Musk's products often prioritize cost, not safety. Musk has also prioritized Space X's rocket launches at the detriment of the NAS. I have no doubt he will continue to do so, pushing safety and regulation to the wayside so that he can prioritize his own needs.

Trump is an idiot, and everything he touches gets screwed up. Aviation safety is too important to get screwed up.

Look, I'm not saying the aviation system doesn't need to be modernized. Believe it or not, there is an initiative already in place to.modwrnize the NAS called Next Gen. I vote that we fund that appropriate, instead of "plugging in" Trump/Musk's hairbrained ideas.
https://www.faa.gov/nextgen



JFC, the attention being paid to this is largely because of the DCA airline/helo. crash. I'm not pointing fingers here, because typically these types of incidents are caused by a number of failures and factors, often coming together in a perfect storm. But....it doesn't seem like the issue here was the fault of the aviation system, ATC and it's systems, or procedures.

[Edited on February 6, 2025 at 9:34 AM. Reason : moar]

2/6/2025 9:29:21 AM

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Yeah, at one point Trump suggested firing any pilot for the first mistake they made . . . which just means you'll only have pilots who aren't experienced enough to have fucked up and learned from it.

5/18/2025 1:13:20 PM

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are those tourist helicopter flights, like the one that crashed in NYC, safe?

5/18/2025 1:40:33 PM

The Coz
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Yes, they are VERY safe when they don't crash.

5/18/2025 1:49:48 PM

JCASHFAN
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Less safe than scheduled airline traffic, but probably safer than driving in NYC.

5/19/2025 5:08:29 AM

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Air India prelim report out…looks like someone cutoff the fuel to both engines
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"As per the EAFR data, the aircraft crossed the take-off decision speed V1 and achieved 153 kts IAS at 08:08:33 UTC. The Vr speed (155 kts) was achieved as per the EAFR at 08:08:35 UTC. The aircraft air/ground sensors transitioned to air mode, consistent with liftoff at 08:08:39 UTC.

The aircraft achieved the maximum recorded airspeed of 180 Knots IAS at about 08:08:42 UTC and immediately thereafter, the Engine 1 and Engine 2 fuel cutoff switches transitioned from RUN to CUTOFF position one after another with a time gap of 01 sec. The Engine N1 and N2 began to decrease from their take-off values as the fuel supply to the engines was cut off.

In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cutoff. The other pilot responded that he did not do so.

As per the EAFR data both engines N2 values passed below minimum idle speed, and the RAT hydraulic pump began supplying hydraulic power at about 08:08:47 UTC.

As per the EAFR, the Engine 1 fuel cutoff switch transitioned from CUTOFF to RUN at about 08:08:52 UTC. The APU Inlet Door began opening at about 08:08:54 UTC, consistent with the APU Auto Start logic. Thereafter at 08:08:56 UTC the Engine 2 fuel cutoff switch also transitions from CUTOFF to RUN. When fuel control switches are moved from CUTOFF to RUN while the aircraft is inflight, each engines full authority dual engine control (FADEC) automatically manages a relight and thrust recovery sequence of ignition and fuel introduction.

The EGT was observed to be rising for both engines indicating relight. Engine 1’s core deceleration stopped, reversed and started to progress to recovery. Engine 2 was able to relight but could not arrest core speed deceleration and re-introduced fuel repeatedly to increase core speed acceleration and recovery. The EAFR recording stopped at 08:09:11 UTC"

https://aaib.gov.in/Reports/2025/Accident/Preliminary%20Report%20VT-ANB.pdf

7/11/2025 4:57:13 PM

theDuke866
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whoa WTF

7/12/2025 1:30:40 AM

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Yea watched blancolirio's video about it. Definitely seems intentional, likely by the Captain since the FO was handling the departure.

7/13/2025 7:51:36 PM

StTexan
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So like the captain wanted to die and kill others?

7/14/2025 8:03:12 PM

theDuke866
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maybe. or a huge fuck-up on one of their parts. neither scenario really adds up to me.

7/15/2025 10:28:18 PM

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Quote :
"In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cutoff. The other pilot responded that he did not do so."


So either person that asked did it and the other person truthfully answered no. Or person that asked didn't do it, and person lied and said no.

Or 2 more possibilities that each thought they didn't do it, and it was other persons fault

I'd like to know which person turned back on the fuel

7/16/2025 12:24:48 AM

StTexan
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They have determined the main captain turned off, co pilot guy is the one that seemed frantic like wtf.

7/17/2025 10:14:00 PM

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Biffle crash preliminary dropped.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nascar-auto-racing/article314519229.html

Sounds like partial instrument failure in marginal conditions and doesn't seem like an engine out.

2/1/2026 2:35:56 PM

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Damn, 8 dead

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/air-force-bomber-crashed-takoff-california-base-rcna350183

6/16/2026 12:30:12 AM

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from Florida crash earlier today

11/1/2026 10:25:19 PM

StTexan
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Apparently ice buildup is like leading theory. Asked to go to 37k ft then started saying mayday and how they were going to die

11/2/2026 8:11:53 AM

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That video was shocking. I mean we all know jets go fast. But man….

11/2/2026 9:58:32 AM

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It looked like one of those videos from a modern day warzone where a bunker buster missile impacts the ground. That thing was going so fast.

11/2/2026 10:27:29 AM

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Conspiracy theories already abound - it’s missing a wing! It’s missing its tail! Trump’s missile installation at Mar-A-Lago took it down!

11/2/2026 10:49:01 AM

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^Looks like it might actually be missing its left wing in that image, but it is almost the same color as the clouds in the background so it is hard to tell. Honestly if it were going straight down at that speed and likely accelerating from ~37k feet, it is definitely plausible for aero forces to snap a wing right off.

11/2/2026 10:57:45 AM

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Also, are there really this many people that drive around with dash cams? It seems like everything something like this happens, there is ALWAYS dash cams footage.

11/2/2026 11:16:44 AM

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^ yes dude. have you driven on these streets? motherfuckers do not know how to drive at fucking all

[Edited on November 2, 2026 at 12:52 PM. Reason : .]

11/2/2026 12:52:03 PM

StTexan
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I've been told by auto insurance ppl that they 1000% recommend dash cams. I want to get a good set up honestly

[Edited on November 2, 2026 at 1:57 PM. Reason : Like one and done installation etc, clean install and stuff]

11/2/2026 1:56:43 PM

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Saw a guy on X this morning that is familiar with the jet and said that the horizontal stabilizer likely failed with the extreme turbulence they encountered when they went right into the heart of that storm.

11/2/2026 4:00:46 PM

StTexan
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I can't believe no one on the ground was injured, just based on dash cam footage. Seems like a busy area

11/2/2026 4:12:55 PM

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Thought about that myself and it missed a house which is a miracle. And apparently it was beside a lot full of mobile homes.

11/2/2026 4:15:58 PM

StTexan
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That pilot must have been like a flying prodigy...got license at 17. Couldn't even buy a beer

11/2/2026 4:23:16 PM

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Quote :
"Saw a guy on X this morning that is familiar with the jet and said that the horizontal stabilizer likely failed with the extreme turbulence they encountered when they went right into the heart of that storm.
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Have a friend involved in the accident investigation and they basically said the same thing, possibly exacerbated by control inputs after stall or updrafts.

11/2/2026 8:07:01 PM

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Quote :
"I can't believe no one on the ground was injured, just based on dash cam footage. Seems like a busy area"

Someone on the ground DID get injured. One person.

11/3/2026 4:34:51 AM

StTexan
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Yeah, read that last night

11/3/2026 8:08:54 AM

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I was just reading up on horizontal stabilizers because I know basically nothing about flight, and it sounds like regardless of how skilled a pilot is, of those things go, that’s it.

Is that a correct statement?

11/3/2026 8:29:19 AM

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^Yes. Horizontal stabilizers provide downward force on the tail of the plane, keeping it leveled and balanced. Additionally, they contain the elevators, which the pilots use to control the pitch of the aircraft (pointing the nose of the plane up and down).

If the elevators froze or somehow otherwise failed, the pilot would be unable to control the pitch. If just frozen, a skilled pilot might be able to get by until thawed with thrust to control things if all other things line up. If the horizontal stabilizers are toast though, there isn't much you can do.

11/3/2026 9:44:26 AM

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Seems like a horrible SPOF. But I guess not because so many thousands of planes are ok on a daily basis.

11/3/2026 9:46:33 AM

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In EMT training you get to control and land a plane with locked (but still attached elevator control) using trim and throttle. I did it successfully a few times.

11/3/2026 1:52:19 PM

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They found pieces of the elevator a few miles away, but still unable to determine if it happened during the descent, or caused the descent.

11/4/2026 8:46:55 AM

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I'm generally curious as to how they found pieces of the elevator and confirmed it was from the plane. Unless I guess they landed in a populated area and people reported it as debris falling from the sky. But yeah, without ANY elevator, there is nothing that could be done to maintain level flight. Seems like a mechanical failure, so no blame on the pilots unless it was something that would have otherwise been caught during a pre-flight inspection.

11/4/2026 10:50:36 AM

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But wouldn’t going through the storm….turbulence sheering off the elevator?

11/4/2026 11:54:18 AM

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Probably the overspeed event or ice damage.

11/4/2026 1:30:24 PM

CaelNCSU
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^^ yes. Iirc they asked for a new heading an ATC said no. They could say fuck off and declare an emergency and avoid it anyway or just ignore and divert.

Pieces of the airplane may have serial numbers in the plane maintenance logs. Also, large hunks of metal suddenly appearing would maybe be noticed especially by all the helicopters that were probably surveying the area after.

They asked for another ride and got a climb. ATC said unable right turn for traffic, but it was seconds after that call where mayday happened so likely nothing it would have done.

[Edited on November 6, 2026 at 4:54 PM. Reason : A]

11/6/2026 4:42:08 PM

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