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Tweets from this morning


Considering Germany is actually at record low crime levels now, and Trump even brought Germany up completely out of the blue in the context of our child/family internment problem now, how else can you parse these statements?

Isn't the subtext here clearly that Trump's belief is that immigration is undermining the white race, this is problematic, and mass detainment of immigrants, suspension of legal status for existing immigrants, and termination of legal immigration all is justified to keep American white as possible?

6/18/2018 11:56:43 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie
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All this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true within itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.

It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.
—?Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X[1]

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This seems to be the best articulation of the tactic Trump likes to use, going back all the way to Obama's birth certificate, saying economic numbers are fake, saying he has secret evidence about things, saying he has the largest inaugural crowd size, now saying immigrants are rapists and criminals and destroying Europe.

Even if none of this is factually true, he knows it influences people just by hearing him say it since we all project our own motivations onto Trump, and most people can't empathize with lying so blatantly to billions of people the way Trump does.

6/18/2018 12:17:16 PM

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He literally launched this iteration of his political career on an explicitly racist conspiracy theory. And introduced his campaign with an explicitly racist statement. Yeah, he’s a racist piece of shit.

And the media and press looked for every possible angle to explain him otherwise and still hasn’t come to grips with it.

6/18/2018 1:37:16 PM

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-crime/violent-crime-rises-in-germany-and-is-attributed-to-refugees-idUSKBN1ES16J

Except Germany does have a surge in violent crime being predominantly driven by refugees. Considering that the report above claims that north African migrants are causing more crime than migrants from war-torn countries, and the upheaval in Germany right now is regarding North African migrants flooding into Italy and Spain only to then travel to Germany and claim asylum there instead, Trump's comments are inline with what is actually happening in Germany right now.

[Edited on June 18, 2018 at 2:42 PM. Reason : link]

6/18/2018 2:38:38 PM

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I find these two situations to be very different. One reason being the population and culture of the Southwest and the majority of the US is intertwined with Mexico and Central America. Regardless of your race the areas rely heavily on each other and many families exist across the boarders and have for generations.

I’m not sure what the solution is to the Germany issue or if the numbers reported in that story are accurate.

[Edited on June 18, 2018 at 6:52 PM. Reason : Derp]

6/18/2018 6:50:26 PM

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"In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and that nothing was true. ... Mass propaganda discovered that its audience was ready at all times to believe the worst, no matter how absurd, and did not particularly object to being deceived because it held every statement to be a lie anyhow. The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness"

-- Hannah Arendt on the political usefulness of lies



She continues to describe the crisis of mismanaging refugees and the refusal to offer asylum as the preliminary step into committing genocide:

"The moment human beings lacked their own government and had to fall back upon their minimum rights, no authority was left to protect them and no institution was willing to guarantee them...

The clearer the proof of their inability to treat stateless people as legal persons and the greater the extension of arbitrary rule by police decree, the more difficult it is for states to resist the temptation to deprive all citizens of legal status and rule them with an omnipotent police...

...The point is that a condition of complete rightlessness was created before the right to live was challenged...

The more the number of rightless people increased, the greater became the temptation to pay less attention to the deeds of the persecuting governments than to the status of the persecuted...

...It is quite conceivable, and even within the realm of practical political possibilities, that one fine day a highly organized and mechanized humanity will conclude, quite democratically — namely by majority decision — that for humanity as a whole it would be better to liquidate certain parts thereof."

...Practically speaking, the [totalitarian] proceeds like a man who persistently insults another man until everybody knows that the latter is his enemy, so that he can, with some plausibility, go and kill him in self-defense. This certainly is a little crude, but it works- as everybody will know who ever watched how certain successful careerists eliminate competitors."


-- Also from "Origins of Totalitarianism"

The intentional escalation of vitriolic rhetoric aimed at hispanics via fearmongering of MS13 in parallel with demanding a border wall is designed to mentally prime a passive and compliant nation to accept the increased deployment of armed forces against communities of color. It paves the way for the accelerating presence of ICE to terrorize minority families. It very clearly labels hispanic refugees as a monolithic hoard of dangerous brown people who must be stopped. The fascination of creating a border wall is not just a cheap political point to be scored by the right wing, it is the first step in creating a physical barrier that clearly delineates who is and who is not deemed worthy of a basic human existence. It openly labels one group of people as "the enemy," so that any lethal force used against them, both at the border and at home via vigilante violence, can be safely declared as an act of self defense rather than as deliberate acts of provocation by increasingly frustrated and atomized members of the downwardly mobile cultural majorities against communities of color. It rhetorically primes a nation to accept an ethnic cleansing as a necessary step for preserving national identity.

He (along with Stephen Miller) are not just being racist just to be racist. They are testing the viability of forced removal of millions of brown people to create an ethno-state. That's the end goal. If you can convince a nation to stand down while you deny asylum seekers shelter and dehumanize their infant children and send them to literal concentration camps without resistance, then you've successfully marched a nation one step closer to openly accepting a genocide as means of solving "the immigrant problem."

6/18/2018 7:24:09 PM

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Also this http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jun/18/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrong-about-crime-germany/

6/18/2018 7:33:17 PM

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"The fascination of creating a border wall is not just a cheap political point to be scored by the right wing, it is the first step in creating a physical barrier that clearly delineates who is and who is not deemed worthy of a basic human existence. "


This logic in this thread is fascinating. How can you make multiple posts in other threads about how walls don't work and then follow that up with some diatribe about how a wall is going to create a white ethnostate? The 2010 census reported that only 54% of births in that year were non-Hispanic white, so the only chance of anyone creating a white ethnostate in the US would be Putin deciding that Oklahoma wasn't worth wasting a nuke on when the mutually assured destruction commences.

6/18/2018 8:18:14 PM

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what the fuck are you even talking about you raging imbecile?

6/18/2018 8:31:11 PM

Dentaldamn
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so instead of discussing an article that refutes you article you focus on a paragraph about the wall ??

What’s the purpose of the wall? I thought to keep out bad guys and drugs. What do walls not do in 2018? Keep out bad guys and drugs. Duh.

6/18/2018 9:32:29 PM

eleusis
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The wall in Israel is doing a good job of lowering terrorist attacks.

6/18/2018 10:24:59 PM

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Was that wall erected in 2018, or did it go up decades ago with accompanying unfathomable bloodshed?

6/18/2018 11:06:20 PM

Dentaldamn
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Ok sorry I stand corrected. Walling off New Jersey might be effective in keeping out suicide bombers.

6/18/2018 11:08:41 PM

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Perhaps the best thing about walling off New Jersey is that it might keep New Jersians in.

I have no idea how to spell people of New Jersey. New Jersiites? I guess I could google.

6/19/2018 8:55:36 AM

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"The wall in Israel is doing a good job of lowering terrorist attacks."


Well the terrorists built the wall so...

6/19/2018 10:32:10 AM

Pupils DiL8t
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With regard to the OP, I feel that he's more of a white nationalist than a white supremacist.

6/19/2018 11:24:26 AM

Dentaldamn
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New Jersey is a lovely state.

6/19/2018 12:13:23 PM

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^^
there is no actual difference

6/19/2018 12:30:48 PM

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I know that it's splitting hairs, but I think that the difference is that white supremacists prefer that minorities remain an underclass while white nationalists prefer that minorities be expelled from the nation entirely.

[Edited on June 19, 2018 at 4:47 PM. Reason : ]

6/19/2018 4:47:04 PM

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They seem to be acting as a united front lately, so the distinction seems trivial, even if accurate.

But you do hit on a point that has occurred historically. That is to say, the political unification of the business owning class and liberal capitalist class with out-and-out blood and soil fascists. While one group would prefer "responsible immigration" because "weee need migrant and unskilled laborz!!! Who's gonna work the kitchens and custodial and underpaid field jobs!?!?!". While the other group is openly salivating at the possibility of forced migration and using calipers to measure skull shapes and determine citizenship.

If liberals fail this test, much like they failed with DACA, they will end up compromising with the foaming-at-the-mouth right wing to support the construction of a border wall. And they'll be dumb enough to celebrate that as a political victory without realizing that they just moved the needle even further to the right so that the next right-wing lizard can come in and begin suggesting that citizenship be revoked for anyone without two US born parents and forced deportation of all undesirables.

6/19/2018 5:28:19 PM

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"Dear America: You are waking up, as Germany once did, to the awareness that 1/3 of your people would kill another 1/3, while 1/3 watches."

6/19/2018 7:45:53 PM

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