The cop shot someone in the back that was running away from him. He used lethal force when his life was not in danger. He should be charged with murder.

6/15/2020 11:46:42 AM

what ever happened to those net launchers that can catch baddies without murdering them?

6/15/2020 12:19:07 PM

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" So do you guys think what transpired here warrants a murder charge for the officer that did the shooting?"

yes

do you think the shooting was justified?

6/15/2020 12:29:37 PM

What does it matter what rumfel thinks? The state, who trains these guys like 800 hours, says "oh they pointed a weapon? Dead."

6/15/2020 12:58:19 PM

^^It seems like a pretty "by-the-books" shooting. I wasn't there. I honestly don't know if it was justified or not. Yes, the guy was running away from the cops. They were likely following their training as he had their weapon, fleeing the scene.

Does the training need to change? Yes. I think there needs to be a change in how we train our police in these situations. Two things could have completely altered the outcome here.

1. They should have actually participated in the community by taking him by his sister's house. It should have never gotten past that point.
2. Once he started running, a decision should have been made in the officers head: "We have his name, his address. We let him go, we'll catch up with him later."

But on the other hand, the guy was fleeing with a weapon. Should the cops have really let him go?

There are a lot of "what if's" here....what if they would have let him go and he ended up at his sister's anyway? What if they had let him go and something happened with him and someone else?

At what point do we just stop policing for fear of an incident, any incident, escalating to a shooting such as this then a murder charge?

I'm just playing devil's advocate here because everybody is going to jump on this cop because of what's going on at the moment. Does the cop deserve 1st degree murder? I just don't see it here. Maybe 2nd degree or voluntary manslaughter?

[Edited on June 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM. Reason : asdfa]

6/15/2020 1:52:23 PM

You list two things like there aren't 1000 options in that situation beside shooting him. It's fairly clear the officers life was in no immediate danger. A clear and obvious danger that can't be avoided should be the high bar to clear for a shooting.

Even if you want to be a "oakleys on a boat selfie" guy, the cops could have jumped him together and beat him down. That would have still been a garbage response but at least he'd be alive.

6/15/2020 1:58:15 PM

Yeah the options aren’t just 1) shoot him or 2) just leave.

6/15/2020 2:01:57 PM

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" But on the other hand, the guy was fleeing with a weapon. Should the cops have really let him go?"

yes. it’s an easy yes without even knowing how it ended.

was he going to go on a tasering spree? even if he did, he didn’t deserve to die over taking a taser.

6/15/2020 2:06:33 PM

That's why I go back to de-escalation training.

If you completely discount the drunk driving, the handcuffs should have never come out to start with.

6/15/2020 2:07:00 PM

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"Rayshard Brooks' wife calls for the Atlanta cops involved in his death to be jailed as it's revealed the fired officer who pulled the trigger recently completed 'de-escalation' training via https://t.co/HQDOmIDrQD https://t.co/7rIsk6L11u"

Oops

6/15/2020 2:19:19 PM

A dude that’s drunk and was just passed out in his car probably wasn’t gonna get far before passing out again. Or throwing up. Or both.

6/15/2020 2:27:39 PM

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" I'm just playing devil's advocate here because everybody is going to jump on this cop because of what's going on at the moment."

this kind of thing needs to stop, btw

6/15/2020 2:33:31 PM

^^^ lol

yeah dude we ain't gonna train our way out of this institutional problem

6/15/2020 2:37:37 PM

keep trying to train these foxes not to kill the geese but

6/15/2020 2:44:06 PM

folks the scorpion has enrolled in a week-long seminar about how to avoid stinging the frog

6/15/2020 2:44:56 PM

all i'm saying is a lot of places, they'll destroy a dog that bites somebody once

6/15/2020 2:45:27 PM

Atlanta cop fired

6/15/2020 3:25:02 PM

Cuomo: you got everything to me want go home


SCOTUS:

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"BREAKING: Supreme Court rejects cases challenging qualified immunity for police officers https://t.co/wHPkuN0LRn "

6/15/2020 5:12:02 PM

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ben-carson-defends-atlanta-police-officer-who-killed-rayshard-brooks-on-fox-news-sunday

6/15/2020 6:41:02 PM

The group that carry guns to protests are given special treatment and then

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"Update: A New Mexico man was shot during a clash between individuals trying to take down a controversial sculpture and five or six heavily armed “New Mexico Civil Guard” members, who said they were “protecting” the monument. #nmleg https://t.co/oyPzeIzNwv"

6/16/2020 12:02:03 AM

This is a really good discussion if you have any white evangelical friends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEuI-03Jcc4

6/16/2020 12:55:52 AM

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"NEW: LAPD officers racked up $40 million in overtime during the recent protests, but won’t be paid for it, and will instead be given comp time, according to a memo sent out by Chief Moore I obtained. Budget is out of cash. LAPD sources tell me morale is at “rock bottom”. @FOXLA https://t.co/Hs4iZSofaE"

Thumbs up.emoji

6/16/2020 7:38:51 AM

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/us/nypd-officers-sick-shake-shack-trnd/index.html

nothing like a few bad apples to allege a business of poisoning them

6/16/2020 11:04:54 AM

double baco cheeseburger, it's for a cop

6/16/2020 11:47:18 AM

don't spit in that cop's burger

6/16/2020 12:15:00 PM

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1272882374435639296?s=21

NYPD police union RTs Jeff Sessions in support/defense of confederate monuments.

6/16/2020 12:28:26 PM

^That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Why would any organization composed of Northern Aggressors support Confederate monuments?

That's mostly rhetorical. I know why. But it still makes no sense on the surface.

6/16/2020 12:36:58 PM

Northern Aggressors, eh?

6/16/2020 12:48:15 PM

You didn't find that funny? I mean, it was the War of Northern Aggression.



Jesus Christ if you thought I was serious then you just need to stop posting.

[Edited on June 16, 2020 at 1:00 PM. Reason : asdfa]

6/16/2020 12:59:45 PM

6/16/2020 1:03:36 PM

just thought it was funny to see a throwback term like that used in 2020

although you have used it before in a non-joking way:

https://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=638601&page=1#15894348

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" If you really want to educate yourself on the reason they fought, and the true causes of the War of Northern Aggression, read Battle Cry of Freedom. [Edited on August 25, 2013 at 8:48 AM. Reason : Too bad they don't call it that anymore.]"

[Edited on June 16, 2020 at 1:09 PM. Reason : .]

6/16/2020 1:04:48 PM

Trump’s EO bans use of the chokehold....except when an officer believes their life is in jeopardy. In other words...this probably won’t do much. Because as we’ve seen over and over officers are always given the benefit of the doubt in that situation.

6/16/2020 2:33:21 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/06/15/magazine/jon-stewart-interview.html

6/16/2020 6:06:07 PM

So how long until NC State renames Daniels Hall? Raleigh has already removed a statue of Josephus Daniels and WCPSS is renaming the middle school currently named after him.

6/16/2020 11:03:20 PM

Daniels is one of my IE buildings and I wasn't aware it was named after someone controversial. But i couldn't care less about the name of the building, when the building itself remains. Shout out to all the Harrelson Hall STANS like my mom. RIP HH

6/16/2020 11:08:28 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_Daniels

6/16/2020 11:35:18 PM

sounds like a real douche

6/16/2020 11:40:01 PM

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"Cops shot a projectile into the eye of a journalist in Minneapolis on May 29. She didn't have insurance. Her first two surgeries left her with bills totaling $58,000. The best solution she found was paying $100/mo for 25 years. via @lukeoneil47 https://t.co/KOm1IdiKWY https://t.co/q29UNcAsAJ"

6/17/2020 8:54:41 AM

http://twitter.com/AymanM/status/1273340773833027588

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" This is disturbing: Fulton County DA says one of the officers kicked Rayshard Brooks while the other pressed on his shoulders AFTER he had already been shot instead of applying medical aid. Their demeanor doesn’t reflect that they were afraid or that Mr. Brooks posed threat."

roast them

6/17/2020 3:57:59 PM

one officer charged with murder other charged with 3 lessor counts

6/17/2020 4:02:44 PM

http://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/1273344122443780097

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" A key detail: Fulton County DA Paul Howard says former officer Garrett Rolfe knew that the taser Rayshard Brooks was holding had been fired twice and didn't pose any danger to the officers when Brooks turned and tried to fire it at officers before Rolfe shot Brooks in the back."

6/17/2020 4:09:21 PM

Could you imagine a cop being on death row?

6/17/2020 6:18:02 PM

plenty of former cops have been on death row, some still are

6/17/2020 6:43:22 PM

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"The DA just said that the taser Rayshard Brooks took from the officers had been fired twice and was thus unusable. And the cops knew this."

6/17/2020 7:37:58 PM

This Breonna Taylor story is so fucked up. It’s [old] but it’s one I hadn’t paid closer attention to.


https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2020/06/17/breonna-taylors-boyfriend-asks-permanent-dismissal-charges/3206577001/

I can’t for the life of me understand why the NRA hasn’t come to the defense of this man who was protecting his home from intruders. Oh wait yes I do know why.

6/17/2020 7:56:19 PM

Yeah I don't understand why the group that was transformed from a shooting sport organization to a pro-gun lobbyist group by violent racist murderer Harlon Carter wouldn't be pushing for justice in this case.

6/17/2020 8:17:07 PM

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"Trump says he "just got a report" that Garrett Rolfe's lawyer says Rolfe heard a sound like a gunshot before shooting Brooks. Trump adds: "So that's an interesting, you know, I don't know" if "I necessarily believe that...but that's a very interesting thing.""

When your story even sounds fishy to Trump.....

6/18/2020 12:28:06 PM

Officer's name is Rolfe.

These nazi scumfucks aren't even pretending to not be nazis before joining the force.

ACAB

6/19/2020 10:45:50 AM

Police arrest man 62 times for going to work:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/02/This-american-life-cops-see-it-differently/385874/

6/20/2020 3:53:35 PM

https://twitter.com/StephenSaux/status/1274392736771137536?s=19
Sitting on the ground with a ticket, arrested for trespassing

6/20/2020 5:22:08 PM