Lmao smfh
https://nypost.com/2020/06/11/nypd-lieutenant-apologizes-for-kneeling-alongside-protesters/amp/?

6/11/2020 1:04:11 PM

gotta tear the whole institution down

6/11/2020 1:11:24 PM

Quote :

"I know it looked like I cared, but I want to reassure everyone I that I don't."

6/11/2020 1:52:03 PM

Quote :

" every time I get upset, my first instinct is violence. even when I am upset with myself"

6/11/2020 3:23:39 PM

^^^ yup

6/11/2020 4:00:18 PM

Curious if the Trayvon Martin thread is viewed in a new light, considering everything we have seen unfold in our country lately?

-Even though Zimmermam wasn't a cop, I seem to recall people justifying how he was profiled based off of his skin color and clothes.

-I seem to recall people bringing up irrelevant things from Martin's past to defame his character.

-I seem to recall people justifying Zimmerman's actions, even though he injected himself into the situation, similar to the way Amaud Arbery's killers did.

[Edited on June 11, 2020 at 5:17 PM. Reason : G]

6/11/2020 5:17:03 PM

Quote :

" -I seem to recall people bringing up irrelevant things from Martin's past to defame his character."

Yeah and this is still definitely happening. Remember that cop that went in the wrong apartment and murdered a dude in Dallas? They were sure to mention that they found weed in the apartment. A totally irrelevant piece of information. In the Arbery case I’ve seen stories about his previous interactions with cops

Quote :

"-I seem to recall people justifying Zimmerman's actions, even though he injected himself into the situation, similar to the way Amaud Arbery's killers did."

And people are trying to justify the Arbery shooting too. I do think it’s obvious a lotta perception has changed and a lotta people have changed their tune, it would seem. But it’s still sad and infuriating and totally predictable to read the hate spewed on comments sections of articles about some of these cases.

I’m assuming the staunch Zimmerman defenders are still staunch.

6/11/2020 7:02:46 PM

Who TF is trying to justify the Arbery shooting?

6/11/2020 7:14:48 PM

This is America.

[Edited on June 11, 2020 at 7:28 PM. Reason : J]

6/11/2020 7:17:48 PM

I will say that I haven’t really seen anybody defending Floyd’s murder. That is one that seems pretty much widely agreed upon...not many at all defending the cop.

As for Arbery...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/this-was-supposed-to-go-away-the-battle-to-shape-how-the-world-viewed-ahmaud-arberys-killing/2020/05/22/089916b8-98f6-11ea-89fd-28fb313d1886_story.html

Quote :

" The opposing narrative continues to loom. A Facebook group that swelled with support for the McMichaels called them “God-fearing men [who] were only trying to protect their neighborhood” from a man who “did not comply with simple commands.” And as surveillance video showing Arbery entering a partially constructed house shortly before his death has circulated online, the din of doubters of the innocent black jogger narrative has become louder. Last week, conservative commentator Candace Owens called it “pointedly ridiculous” to argue that no one should be suspicious of “a jogger wearing khakis who decides to stop in the middle of a jog to go onto a property that isn’t his.” Owens, who is black, noted Arbery’s arrest history and said, “From what I’m hearing, there’s a lot more to this story that people don’t understand.”"

6/11/2020 7:30:59 PM

Oh I've seen people calling Floyd a violent felon.

6/11/2020 7:33:44 PM

^^ https://abc7.com/franklinville-nj-protest-black-lives-matter-george-floyd/6240868/

They were essentially saying that it wasn't the cops fault. Floyd brought it on himself by resisting arrest.

[Edited on June 11, 2020 at 7:46 PM. Reason : J]

6/11/2020 7:44:12 PM

That doesn’t surprise me at all, sadly.

6/11/2020 7:49:22 PM

Quote :

" Who TF is trying to justify the Arbery shooting?"

the same Republican grifters who always justify these killings

6/11/2020 8:00:01 PM

Quote :

"a man who “did not comply with simple commands.” "

What's the overlap between people who think being asked to wear a mask is unbearable tyranny and people who believe it's completely reasonable to expect that Amaud Arbery do whatever a couple of randos tell him?

6/11/2020 8:00:06 PM

Hell, the thing with “why don’t they just comply”...watch the videos. Most the time people are complying. And they’re still getting beat the fuck up.

6/11/2020 8:05:10 PM

Kind of reminds me of how death was almost the fate of Sterling Brown, or at least a career ending knee injury
https://theundefeated.com/features/bucks-guard-sterling-brown-milwaukee-police/

6/11/2020 8:16:33 PM

From ^

Quote :

" Three days after the incident, after investigators reviewed the matter, including the officers’ bodycam footage, the police announced that charges would not be filed against Brown"

Cops tackle and tase him. Because his hands went in his pocket and he wasnt even given the chance to comply. They fucked him up for no reason and still looked for a reason to charge him after the incident. They didn’t charge him with anything, but they definitely made sure to take 3 days to decide if he should be charged. Fuck cops.

6/11/2020 8:25:44 PM

Quote :

"What's the overlap between people who think being asked to wear a mask is unbearable tyranny and people who believe it's completely reasonable to expect that Amaud Arbery do whatever a couple of randos tell him?"

Judging by my Facebook news feed, the Venn diagram of those two things + people upset about nascar banning the confederate flag is one circle.

6/11/2020 8:42:34 PM

Quote :

"I ask questions on here all the time and hear bullshit about being naive and lazy for not attempting to look it up myself."

Quote :

"Who TF is trying to justify the Arbery shooting?"

Hmmm

6/11/2020 8:51:49 PM

just realized I left out a very important “attempt to” before “justify” in my last post

6/11/2020 8:58:11 PM

Quote :

"Who TF is trying to justify the Arbery shooting"

Pretty sure people on this site were justifying the shooting via victim blaming.

Your question in a post-Floyd lense might make some sense but prior there was plenty of justifying to go around.

6/11/2020 9:18:46 PM

There are plenty of people attempting to justify Floyd's murder by saying he was an ex-con or that he resisted arrest.

6/12/2020 6:26:54 AM

Breonna Taylor

6/12/2020 7:20:18 AM

6/12/2020 2:04:43 PM

get y'all's asses in the street today.

6/12/2020 2:39:36 PM

^^ :clap:

6/12/2020 3:47:11 PM

"less than 1%"

Quote :

"This is grotesque. watch the Nassau county cop slam on the brakes to give them an excuse to beat a protestor whose words they didn't like. from Instagram user mike_mo516/ https://t.co/6xrkWiIflT "

6/13/2020 1:22:28 AM

don't worry, those are just 1%ers, most of them are fine

6/13/2020 1:26:21 AM

Perhaps 1.5-2 percenters?

6/13/2020 1:29:36 AM

Just a few bad apples... in a barrel with just 15-20 apples.

6/13/2020 1:39:10 AM

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2020/06/11/woodlynne-cop-ryan-dubiel/?amp=1&fbclid=IwAR17qQ3JqS5Tq_vzCbLAeygoPWEINv5d4o2ODW0dSI2k5n8CbTVbo14kdA4&__twitter_impression=true

Another bad apple

Quote :

" According to 6 ABC, Dubiel and the other cop began questioning the teens, the teens said they didn’t know anything about it, and after one of the teens said he was going to call his guardian, Dubiel just casually pulls out a can of pepper spray and sprays the teen with it. One of the teen’s friends was hit as well."

Quote :

" The Woodlynne Police Department has suspended Dubiel with the intent to dismiss him. This is the ninth — yes, ninth — police department that Dubiel has worked at. He’s 31 years old."

[Edited on June 13, 2020 at 4:12 PM. Reason : I’m sure this cop will land on his feet at another PD and definitely learn his lesson]

6/13/2020 4:11:39 PM

just watched a Black neighbor get turned away from RPD after seeing them let multiple white neighbors walk the same path all afternoon

6/13/2020 7:02:00 PM

Turned away from what? What path?

6/13/2020 7:42:55 PM

regrettably wrote “from”, instead of “by”

and the path is the sidewalk to their place

[Edited on June 13, 2020 at 9:06 PM. Reason : .]

6/13/2020 9:05:49 PM

so the police are just blocking a sidewalk

6/13/2020 10:15:11 PM

blocked my street

let rando white people walk down the street and sidewalk

kept a black neighbor from walking on the sidewalk to their house a block and a half away

6/13/2020 10:35:20 PM

https://nypost.com/2020/06/13/ex-nypd-spokesman-says-we-killed-eric-garner-in-emotional-post/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

6/13/2020 10:52:01 PM

^^Why were they there in the first place?

So how do you guys feel about the latest shooting in Atlanta?

After reading the CNN breakdown of the video, here are the conclusions that I reached, wrong or right:

1. Wendy's employees called cops because a guy was "asleep" in the drive through, not moving his vehicle.
2. Cops arrive, are friendly with him, he's friendly with them, admitted to having some drinks but not drunk, said he was dropped off at Wendys (while in a vehicle?)
3. Cops do a breathalyzer, which seems to take an awful long time. I don't know, do they usually take a while to complete?
4. After like 30 minutes, test comes back .108, obviously too inebriated to drive. Guy offers to walk to his sisters house some blocks away.
5. Cops attempt to handcuff Brookes, he starts to tussle with the cops, removes a weapon from one of the cops (taser) while himself being tased.
6. Cops plead for him to stop while still tasing him, he runs away, turns back to fire the taser at the cops.
7. Cops shoot him 3 times in the back as he turns around.

I'm asking TWW community, where did the cops go wrong here? Was it where they did not allow him to walk to his sisters house? If I were the cop on duty, I would have asked for his sister's contact information, called the sister and requested that she come and pick up her brother who was probably not in a good shape to walk a couple of blocks. Had they let him go, could they have been liable had he walked out in front of a car? If not calling his sister, they could have offered to take him to his sister's house without handcuffs. But then they would be ignoring the obvious fact that he drove to Wendy's while intoxicated past the legal limit.

But it's really easy to armchair quarterback these situations.

What were they to do once he got their taser? They tried using non-lethal force and that did not work.

I really don't know. But the DA in Atlanta is saying the cop could be charged with murder. Is that the right call?

6/15/2020 10:18:36 AM

I haven’t watched the video, but I’d say they went wrong when they shot him when all he had was a non lethal weapon. How many cops were there? Tackle his ass.

6/15/2020 10:29:06 AM

Quote :

"where did the cops go wrong here? "

Where were the cops lives in danger from a drunk guy running away from them at what 50-100 feet away who pointed a taser/non-lethal force device at them over his back? Basic rule here is if you're shooting someone in the back it's probably a "bad shoot"

Quote :

"Cops arrive, are friendly with him"

This is an incredibly naive take. Every aspect of their interaction with the victim here is designed to successfully prosecute him for the suspected crime, plus any additional crimes they can identify through this buddy buddy style interrogation. And you wanna give them credit being "friendly"? Naw dude.

Quote :

"How many cops were there? Tackle his ass."

Or I dunno, let him go?

6/15/2020 10:36:32 AM

if you're afraid enough of a taser to kill someone for trying to use it on you, maybe you shouldn't be using it on others

6/15/2020 10:38:04 AM

^^^Maybe the thought process was he could get a lethal weapon from them if incapacitated by the taser? They tried non-lethal force and it didn't work. Would you want to get within striking distance of someone who is already trying to use a taser on you?

And synapse. Dawg, you're giving the cops a no-win situation here. We fuss at cops for their holier-than-thou attitude when they come at people, and granted, I've had dealings with cops that were assholes, but now they can't be friendly either? How are they supposed to act?

And I'd be ok with letting him go, except they would be liable if something happened to him on the way to his sister.

^
You're packing lethal force, if someone gets that lethal force from you, and uses on you or anyone else.....


[Edited on June 15, 2020 at 10:43 AM. Reason : ^]

6/15/2020 10:41:09 AM

if a single cop, sure. there were two of them though and tasers aren't a multiple person weapon.

they absolutely have legal justification for what they did, but that doesn't mean it was the correct thing to do

6/15/2020 10:48:13 AM

Quote :

"And synapse. Dawg, you're giving the cops a no-win situation here. We fuss at cops for their holier-than-thou attitude when they come at people, and granted, I've had dealings with cops that were assholes, but now they can't be friendly either? How are they supposed to act?"

They can be as friendly as they want sure. But don't act like that ain't a game they're playing in order to assure a successful prosecution and maybe even identify additional crimes. Watch the video again and listen to every question they ask. It's an interrogation. And they often imply things that aren't true in order to secure compliance and acquiescence.

Quote :

"And I'd be ok with letting him go, except they would be liable if something happened to him on the way to his sister."

lol no they fucking wouldn't.

Daniel Pantaleo murdered Eric Garner on video and aside from losing his job was not held liable for the murder. And you wanna argue that if this drunk guy hurt someone on the way to his sister's these cops would be held liable? And that's a justification for using lethal force? Nope.

Quote :

"they absolutely have legal justification for what they did"

I'm not so sure.

6/15/2020 10:57:22 AM

Quote :

" except they would be liable if something happened to him on the way to his sister."

what are you basing this on?

there is no defense for the cops here. they shot an unarmed man in the back and killed him.

6/15/2020 11:02:18 AM

Quote :

"And you wanna argue that if this drunk guy hurt someone on the way to his sister's these cops would be held liable? And that's a justification for using lethal force? Nope. "

Re-read what he said, he didn’t even say if he hurt someone else, he said if he hurt HIMSELF they could be liable. Which is an even more ludicrous argument, especially considering hey murdered him.

6/15/2020 11:10:36 AM

lol ok good point

6/15/2020 11:11:16 AM

It's like death row inmates being put on a suicide watch. "no no WE want to do it!!"

6/15/2020 11:16:53 AM

Then if the cops are not liable at all for letting him go, then that's what they should have done. Impounded his car, and sent him on his way.

This is where de-escalation training would come in handy.

So do you guys think what transpired here warrants a murder charge for the officer that did the shooting?

6/15/2020 11:34:15 AM