What if you arrested someone for DWI and in court when you were watching the dashcam video you could clearly see both brake lights illuminated and their lawyer gets the case dismissed. Wouldn't you feel dumb?

4/10/2015 12:22:27 AM

But, that is not what I stopped them for. The dash cam footage might shot the weaving, crossing the double yellow, etc. I would also testify to the stop. It's called investigative deception.

4/10/2015 12:33:10 AM

I seriously doubt ^ pulls people over in non-"good stop" scenarios

[Edited on April 10, 2015 at 1:02 AM. Reason : and that probably goes for most stops...shits gotta hold up in court yo]

4/10/2015 1:01:48 AM

The dash cam video is out now. I can tell by the video republicans are going to say its the black guys fault he is dead for running, and also lying about his car registration.

4/10/2015 1:08:01 AM

^^He's a police, and we love him, but he's a police--investigative deception and all. Why would you trust him on the Internet?

4/10/2015 1:28:45 AM

not victim blaming here but:

the center brake light was clearly not working

4/10/2015 6:36:29 AM

can't an officer tell by running the vehicle plates if a vehicle has insurance or not? That would be reason enough for a stop, wouldn't it?

4/10/2015 9:12:24 AM

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"But that is the worst thing you can do. Just stop and let then do whatever they are going to do. I'm glad the cop is getting charged in this though. "

running from cops is not a good idea.

it should also not be punishable by death.

there's no need to say "well he shouldn't have been running" because who the fuck cares that's no reason to kill somebody. i mean, i get what you're saying. but it's a pointless argument that detracts from the real issue. no different than saying "BUT WHAT ABOUT BLACK ON BLACK CRIME"

4/10/2015 9:17:01 AM

He is running from a cop, yes.

But the cop has his identity, I assume that he has no major felony warrants out that should force the cop to either go after him, or use the force that he did. How hard would it be to let him go and get him later when he resurfaces.

4/10/2015 9:51:06 AM

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"He's a police, and we love him, but he's a police--investigative deception and all. Why would you trust him on the Internet?"

Oh no that's not what I'm saying. When I say "good stop" I mean I doubt he pulls people over without a reason that will stand up in court. That's all.

4/10/2015 9:55:06 AM

There's always a reason to pull somebody over. There are fifty billion traffic/vehicle ordinances. And 100% of the country speeds.

4/10/2015 10:52:16 AM

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"But the cop has his identity, I assume that he has no major felony warrants out that should force the cop to either go after him, or use the force that he did. How hard would it be to let him go and get him later when he resurfaces."

that's my biggest issue with this whole event - not that the guy got shot, but what made the cop chase him in the first place when he's already got the guy's identification and car blocked in? He'd already seen the man was old and out of shape, so it wasn't like the man was going to get very far. The cop probably just wanted to run down the guy and shoot him with his taser for fun, but when the taser failed to work he escalated the situation.

My personal opinion is that they need to stop issuing tasers to cops or at least treat their use in a manner similar to how discharging a firearm is processed by a police force. When you provide police with extensive means to have the upper hand in a physical confrontation with limited repercussions for their use, everything will naturally start looking like a cause for physical confrontation. We place severe limitations on the use of police firearms, and pepper spray has its own limitations in that it tends to incapacitate both parties involved. Unfortunately, police forces tend to think of tasers as a means of enforcing complicit behavior instead of as a weapon.

You take the taser away from this cop, and he probably never takes off on foot.

4/10/2015 10:52:57 AM

Plus, based on the dashcam video, it looks like this altercation took place near a neighborhood. The officer shot 8 times, but only hit Scott 5. That means there were 3 stray bullets in a potential neighborhood that could have gotten someone else killed.

FFS, this guy needs to go.

I don't know if anybody made that point regarding the Mike Brown case, but I think that took place in a residential area as well.

4/10/2015 10:53:41 AM

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"can't an officer tell by running the vehicle plates if a vehicle has insurance or not? That would be reason enough for a stop, wouldn't it?"

In NC, yes. In other States, not necessarily.


Is there some confusion about traffic stops? In rare instances, I do not tell people what they are really being stopped for. This might be to further the investigation to get them to incriminate themselves (gather evidence of sight, smell, or speech) or because I didn't want them to know that they just sold to an undercover or I saw them make a hand-to-hand. This way they are relaxed and calm.

If I just marched up tot he window and said, "hey, you just sold to a cop..." they might run or fight. I'm trying to avoid that. Or if I say, "hey I stopped you because you are weaving/drifting/etc and I think you have been drinking..." do you think they are going to cooperative because they might get a DWI? For some odd reason, people will bigger knuckleheads over a DWI than dope charge, gun charge, etc.

Now, in 99% of the traffic stops, its introduction, I stopped you for this, did you know you were doing that or was there a reason for doing that?

4/10/2015 11:07:42 AM

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"The officer shot 8 times, but only hit Scott 5."

This is a big pet peeve of mine. First, there are a lot of shitty shooters in law enforcement and that needs to stop. But conversely, hitting a moving human being while pumped full of adrenaline* =/= hitting a paper target in a static environment w/ perfect grip, stance, sight alignment, sight picture and trigger control. A lot of internet warriors say they are better shooters than LE. This is probably true. But, IDPA, static target work, etc is not the same. Trust me.

*This is in general. Not saying he should have murdered this dude.

4/10/2015 11:11:40 AM

How accurate is NC's system. How long does it take for the system to know your insurance has lapsed?

4/10/2015 11:12:16 AM

I would like to point out that if this cop actually planted a taser on the body, it doesn't really matter if it was a valid stop or not, that's enough to warrant a long jail sentence IMO.

4/10/2015 11:13:24 AM

If you have a 1 minute lapse in insurance, your tags will get revoked. You have to have continuous coverage. I'm pretty sure its updated every day.

4/10/2015 11:16:34 AM

I can tell by the video republicans are going to say its the black guys fault he is dead for running, and also lying about his car registration.

For what it's worth...technically if he hadn't ran and just stayed in the car he'd still be alive. With that said, I can't see where running warranted being shot to death. It's not like the cops wouldn't have found him again had he gotten away.

4/10/2015 12:54:59 PM

To Restricted, I'm not arguing that cops should be better shots. Crack shots exist in our minds and on tv. I'm just going back to the decision to use deadly force in this case. On a fleeing suspect. In a neighborhood. With kids around most likely.

4/10/2015 12:59:17 PM

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" If you have a 1 minute lapse in insurance, your tags will get revoked. You have to have continuous coverage. I'm pretty sure its updated every day."

That may be how it's supposed to work, but it doesn't.

I got hit by a guy in Raleigh whose insurance had lapsed >6 months before the accident, but the cops who did the accident report/gave him a ticket had no idea because it was still in their system as insured. I found out when my insurance company contacted his and they were like "LOL we haven't insured that idiot in a long time". Thank God for uninsured motorist coverage. I called the officer who did the accident report and told them, and they had no idea, but said they'd bring it up in court.

4/10/2015 2:17:04 PM

Take a look at the lawman
Beating up the wrong guy
Oh man! Wonder if he'll ever know
He's in the best selling show
Is there life on Mars?

4/11/2015 1:35:36 AM

Police release web cam video of Walmart brawl on March 21, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=469&v=jEnuSVQe8E4

these cops showed amazing restraint, it's really awesome being white

4/12/2015 12:20:16 PM

http://gawker.com/fuck-your-breath-video-of-inadvertent-police-shoot-1697315874

4/12/2015 2:08:10 PM

tazers should use a different color laser

4/12/2015 2:40:22 PM

seriously? They didn't hear gun shots? That's a straight up lie. That shit was murder.

4/12/2015 2:58:32 PM

That is the same excuse used in the murder of Oscar Grant.

4/12/2015 3:09:32 PM

Wtf at that walmart video. Multiple people resisting and assaulting cops and the cops just keep chasing them in circles. Smh.

4/12/2015 3:10:49 PM

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"He's a donor to the force. Essentially some rich asshole donates a bunch of toys to the department and for repayment they allow him to live out his fantasy of busting black heads open."

4/12/2015 4:48:22 PM

I kept watching that Walmart video hoping someone would call in an airstrike. How can one family be so dysfunctional that they get into a brawl with 4 officers, and how can the parents just sit there and watch/encourage it?

4/12/2015 4:57:39 PM

holy fuck at that "fuck your breath" video. some fucking old dude gets to play ride along and tase people? how the fuck is that allowed?

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""At a press conference on Friday, Tulsa County Sheriff’s Capt. Billy McKelvey told reporters that deputies were not aware Harris had been shot, having not heard the weapon discharge." Really?? This is what he's going with?? Who the fuck believes that? Never mind the fact the officer himself said he shot him and the victim was saying he was shot. Holy fuck man."

[Edited on April 12, 2015 at 5:25 PM. Reason : ^ lol]

4/12/2015 5:13:19 PM

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"I'll say it again: What the fuck is a 73 year old man doing on a ride-along during an operation like this?"

Quote :

"It was part of a raffle ( to support youth sports programs ) where you win a ride along, and get to kill a black person. Its wildly popular Oklahoma..."

4/12/2015 5:29:13 PM

Is this guy seriously not going to get charged?

And from the sound of it, they're allowed to carry tasers and guns around??? What the fuck?

Quote :

"Quoting Lewinski again, Clark said, "This is the slip and capture. Under time pressure to address a perceived threat, his intention to draw his Taser slipped off his agenda, so to speak, when it was captured and completed by a more well-rehearsed motor program. ... He was not conscious of this unfortunate switch until after the shot was fired. In his urgency, his concentration was focused exclusively on Harris' back, where he intended to place the Taser darts. Because of what's called 'inattentional blindness,' meaning that he wasn't consciously paying attention to and registering it, he wouldn't have been aware that the feel of the gun was different from that of the Taser. And in this case the weight of the gun and Taser are nearly identical." Clark was emphatic that Bates had done nothing criminally wrong and went so far as to say the reserve deputy was a victim. "Reserve Deputy Bates did not commit a crime. Reserve Deputy Bates was a victim, a true victim of slip and capture," he said. "There's no other determination I could come to.""

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"Clark defended the officer's language, saying the deputy experienced auditory exclusion, never heard the gunshot and thought the suspect was out of breath from running. "

Fucking bullshit.


[Edited on April 12, 2015 at 5:38 PM. Reason : ]

4/12/2015 5:34:11 PM

at least RPD isn't going around murdering unarmed youths. their only vice is being run by the mob

[Edited on April 12, 2015 at 5:56 PM. Reason : and various sexual misconducts ]

4/12/2015 5:54:51 PM

Awesome, I am loving this.

4/12/2015 7:05:07 PM

^^^that explanation is

4/12/2015 7:46:01 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/08/walter-scott-shooting-without-video_n_7024404.html

4/12/2015 8:34:08 PM

Apparently, none of us would qualify for the force in some places:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836

4/12/2015 9:25:15 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/video-released-showing-killing-black-oklahoma-suspect-202659435.html

4/12/2015 9:32:12 PM

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"Tulsa Police Sgt. Jim Clark, who was asked to investigate the shooting by the sheriff's office, has said Bates was a victim of a high stress phenomenon in which a person's behavior "slips" off the intended course of action because it's "captured" by a stronger response."

I need to remember this slips-and-capture thing for my next big fuck-up.

4/12/2015 9:37:55 PM

So now you can claim that you pulled your gun, thinking it was a taser, and that is a successful defense? BS.

That should terrify every American that has ever been pulled over. Or has ever given a cop a reason to pull them over, such as speeding.

4/12/2015 9:57:24 PM

^^^^^that Huffington post article is such bullshit;, It's a thought experiment drummed up by the same media that reports the garbage news this article is complaining about.

I find it hard to find sympathy for this Walter Scott incident. Deadbeat dad doesn't bother to pay for car insurance or child support but can buy a flashy car, runs from the cops when he gets arrested, and gets murdered by some jackass cop that thought he was above the law. Now his kids will probably get all of their unpaid child support and then some courtesy of the state of South Carolina, an uninsured motorist is off the highway, and this dumbass cop will get to spend life in prison. Kinda seems like a win-win to me.

[Edited on April 12, 2015 at 11:07 PM. Reason : car wasn't new, although new to the owner.]

4/12/2015 11:06:14 PM

flashy car?

4/12/2015 11:24:54 PM

its a pretty cold fuckin day in hell when someone can be stupid enough to make me side with TGL3

4/12/2015 11:59:26 PM

flashy? gaudy? call it what you will, but practical it is not.

4/13/2015 12:15:10 AM

practical?

it has 4 tires and an engine

looks like its past the point of a normal used car

4/13/2015 12:19:20 AM

Get the hood repainted, or get rims? Hmm.

4/13/2015 12:28:03 AM

Saw this posted from one of my police friends on facebook. Not sure how much BS is in the actual blog, or whatever it is, but it claims that after enhancing the video, you can see taser darts lodged into the cop.

Disclaimer - it's obviously slanted, but I just clicked on the link, I didn't go looking for this.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/04/12/game-changer-or-paradigm-shift-walter-scott-shooting-enhanced-video-shows-officer-slager-with-taser-darts/

4/13/2015 7:35:41 AM

Uninsured driver = punishable by death

4/13/2015 7:41:21 AM

In terms of the Tulsa "accidental" shooting *cough*murder*cough*, slip and capture was the same excuse they used for the murder of Oscar Grant. I don't believe for a second they didn't know he was shot. They heard it, and the blood pouring should have been a clue. Oh, and the "reserve deputy" stated he shot him immediately.

As for the Wal-Mart fight, I have no doubt if it were a black family the cops would have drawn their guns a lot quicker.

4/13/2015 7:43:50 AM