the ECM on the helo doesn't work well against my SOFLAM

I like controlling the SOFLAM myself and watching others take down aircraft with javelins

12/7/2011 12:58:15 AM

A single Javelin missile costs $86,014

You'd think it'd be enough to take out a helicopter

But no, you need to shoot like a quarter million dollars worth of missiles to take one down

12/7/2011 1:57:16 AM

Woah, didn't know the tall antenna could fall down on Caspian. Is this new or i just never happen to see it fall?

12/7/2011 10:15:55 AM

So if someone loves BF2 but is pretty meh on BC2, would y'all recommend getting this game at the price point of $50?

12/7/2011 10:32:57 AM

sure

12/7/2011 10:51:01 AM

OK, time for random questions.

1. What the hell is the trick to getting a jet to make ridiculously tight turns? I'm watching people on air radar, and I cannot believe how sharp they are cutting. I try to go into a tight turn by cutting way back on the throttle and then going full throttle on the way out, but I can't come close to making the kinds of turns I see people doing. I'm still flying with a joystick, which I'm beginning to think is a disadvantage. If using a mouse is truly superior to using a joystick, then great job, DICE. You already fucked up the jet mechanics from BF2, but this would just be an insult.

2. Is it possible to place a SOFLAM, suicide and respawn as Engineer, and then use your own SOFLAM to paint targets? Or does it disappear after you're dead? I absolutely HATE Recon class, and the onyl way I can see doing anything with it at all is just to get the SOFLAM for my Engineer. I've seen a big whopping 2 games in which people really knew how to use them, and we went psycho on armor for the entire game.

3. What, exactly, is the difference between a flash suppressor and a sound suppressor in this game? Is it that flash suppressor causes much greater bullet spread, and sound suppressor causes much greater recoil? Doesn't flash suppressor still give away your position on the map, but sound suppressor does not?

4. Is it possible to disable the mouse scroll weapon switching? (I think I may need to just set toggle weapon 1 to scroll up and toggle weapon 2 to scroll down.)

5. The A-10 and Su-25 don't actually have afterburners... do they?

Great page for weapon stats here: http://symthic.com/?s=bf3

By the way, if anyone is interested, I am happy to share my script for automatic right-click-spotting for AutoHotkey. It's extremely useful.

12/7/2011 10:54:46 PM

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"1. What the hell is the trick to getting a jet to make ridiculously tight turns? I'm watching people on air radar, and I cannot believe how sharp they are cutting. I try to go into a tight turn by cutting way back on the throttle and then going full throttle on the way out, but I can't come close to making the kinds of turns I see people doing. I'm still flying with a joystick, which I'm beginning to think is a disadvantage. If using a mouse is truly superior to using a joystick, then great job, DICE. You already fucked up the jet mechanics from BF2, but this would just be an insult."

the flying tutorial video i posted a few pages back indicates you should alternate between 2 seconds on and off afterburner while turning. this will result in much tighter turns. also having a hotkey or button (ie, spacebar) that is pitch-up will save you from having to constantly pull back on your joystick or keep scrolling your mouse to make the sharp turns, just hold down the key

12/8/2011 12:13:30 AM

^this. really good tutorial and I'm a bit better at flying from it, but i still suck at it.

^^
2. No, any equipment you drop goes away if you die. The only thing that stays seems to be mines.

3. Flash suppressor is mainly for looks. It'll suppress the flash from the end of your gun so you can aim down the sights without any flash fucking your aim up. It's also good to hide in bushes and shoot with the flash suppressor, even though you'll be on the mini map, they can't spot your flash firing. The Sound suppressor adds weight to the end of your gun and reduces both accuracy and damage (makes bullets fire at sub sonic speeds), but it does hide your shots on the mini map.

4. probably, never use the scroll wheel

5. When the game came out, all jets had afterburners, I think they might have disabled it on those jets since they shouldn't actually have it in real life with the patch.

12/8/2011 12:52:45 AM

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"Great page for weapon stats here: http://symthic.com/?s=bf3 "

Holy shit, you have saved me a lot of time. Thank you.




So some of the guys I play with are complaining they are getting killed due to client side hit boxes. I know the netcode is half and half when it comes to client and server side. Do these guys have any ground to stand on, or are they just trying to find any reason to complain about the game? Some of these guys are MW players, but not very big fans of the series; they actually use MW as a negative term when comparing it to BF3, like the gun mechanics for example (in their mind). I have never had a time I died when I didn't feel like I deserved it due to my playing. I do use vehicles a lot, probably close to twice as much as infantry, but still. If there was this huge client side issue it would be evident as hell in a tank trying to shoot another tank or like when I took out an A-10 coming right at me (epic). Does anyone have a source on the netcode usage during BF3 play? My friends have never once given me a source that wasn't a forum. They are always saying "Dude! Just go look at the BF3 forums", well I play the game, not read the forums.

Also why has the BF3 thread died down so much? Is ever560yone just playing and no more hardware discussions left that wouldn't be repeating the same shit? Back to Karkand is almost here and that is going to be awesome on Wake Island. That was the BF1942 map that I learned what the BF series really was all about; I will miss the bombs though . It's going to be like Desert Combat Wake Island on steroids.


Oh btw, that new 560ti C448 looks pretty interesting and some are coming with free copies of BF3 like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125406

the weird part is some of the Core 448 560s are 2x 6 pin like the one above, but this EVGA one is 1x 6pin 1x 8pin: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130739

but not this EVGA model of the same card with a different cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130738


So wtf is up with the same cards having different power setups. Surely that Gigabyte card with 3 fans requires more than the EVGA model with the 8 pin.


Edit: oh I got it, they increased the number of power phases






[Edited on December 10, 2011 at 3:24 AM. Reason : POWER PHASES RAWR]

12/10/2011 3:08:07 AM

Everytime I open BF3 through origin it takes me straight to the single player game, not the battlelog webpage like it use to. Was this in the patch or is my shit screwed up?

12/11/2011 4:04:59 PM

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/09/battlefield-3-tutorial-shooting-down-jets-the-awesome-way/

Battlefield 3 tutorial: Shooting down jets the awesome way

12/12/2011 9:20:34 AM

12/12/2011 12:30:35 PM

Sometimes the most unrealistic things about a game are the things that make it the most awesome.

12/12/2011 12:51:48 PM

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"Everytime I open BF3 through origin it takes me straight to the single player game, not the battlelog webpage like it use to. Was this in the patch or is my shit screwed up"

reinstall Origin, it won't uninstall BF3.

12/12/2011 10:55:40 PM

dlc came out on pc today, looks cool, but I kept rage quitting, kept getting shitty teams who let all of our assets get stolen and then then its me vs 10 tanks and 2 helo's. Gets pretty annoying.

12/13/2011 7:27:09 AM

I want to play. *grumble*work*grumble*

[Edited on December 13, 2011 at 11:22 AM. Reason : .]

12/13/2011 11:22:22 AM

everyone online right now are everyone like me who are lvl 50 and above. really annoying cause I can't get a kdr higher than 1.2 and get tons of death streaks.

12/13/2011 11:48:58 AM

i'm sorry you can't find a bunch of lvl 10s to beat up on.

12/13/2011 11:55:39 AM

I donno, its fucked up. 10 straight games on the shittiest teams ever. And everyone on my side is still 50+ rank or better, yet they somehow all play like idiots and let our assets get stolen and can't fucking camp on the mcoms. Even playing as a supporting role, I can't do shit. These new maps are tuff.

OH FUCK YOU ORIGIN, YOU CUNT FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT

[Edited on December 13, 2011 at 12:12 PM. Reason : origin makes me cry]

12/13/2011 12:10:23 PM

im only lvl 17 and played for a bit and my team was straight garbage. we lost a 240 ticket lead because the folks with the vehicles did nothing with them and no engineers besides me to take out their tanks

12/13/2011 12:13:00 PM

wished they allowed us to do the 3 vs 30 bots on a lan game like bf2 did.

New maps look dope, but the damn "I can't walk over this small rock or fallen tree because I have to attempt to jump over it 5 times then die" bull shit really hinders it since there's a lot of rocks and trees that are placed in horrible places that will get you killed.

12/13/2011 12:21:30 PM

SO TRUE.

12/13/2011 12:43:45 PM

anyone else have issues with logging into origin?

12/13/2011 12:59:48 PM

down for me

12/13/2011 1:43:54 PM

oh we back

12/13/2011 5:12:22 PM

finally

12/13/2011 5:49:13 PM

LOVE the new maps!

12/13/2011 7:25:20 PM

yea they are pretty good, hadnt got to play them as much as i wanted b/c they keep switching to the old maps wish they had servers with only new maps.

12/13/2011 10:48:06 PM

there are... tons... that's all I've played today... when origin fucking works.

12/13/2011 11:47:12 PM

my game keeps crashing after this update..... mother of god im so angry.

Never once crashed before. Now i get "disconnected from EA online:1" every time i try to play. Haven't completed a single round yet.


assignments are so stupid too. Remember back when games just gave you the guns you paid for and did not require you do silly shit like play 5 rounds of SQDM to unlock a gun. thats a waste of a hour of my life to get a gun i already paid for.

12/14/2011 7:28:38 AM

^ those achievements & unlocks are what keep you coming back for more

12/14/2011 9:06:50 AM

no, the game not being a piece of shit is what keeps you coming back. there's no continued revenue stream for EA to have people play longer, so why put in that garbage?

also, playing during the day is like trying to pvp in wow during the day, it's absolute garbage

12/14/2011 9:12:53 AM

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"there's no continued revenue stream for EA to have people play longer, so why put in that garbage?"

really? what exactly is a DLC, again?

its really tricky for you to understand the reasoning behind unlocks? you think its the big angry game companies trying to keep the goods from you?

12/14/2011 9:28:55 AM

dlc is NEW content for MORE money
they get NO MORE money after I've acquired the content whether I play 24/7 grinding some bullshit unlocks or burn my computer.

the games that pioneered these grinds were SUBSCRIPTION based and had an incentive to keep you playing month to month.

but please, enlighten us as to the point of an unlock system in an FPS with no subscription

[Edited on December 14, 2011 at 2:46 PM. Reason : .]

12/14/2011 2:46:00 PM

yeah, I think the unlocks are stupid. specially for the dlc, they should just give it to you right away instead of doing some bull shit requirements. I don't even like working to lvl 42 to get some shitty unlock gun. It should be like BC2 was and have all your weapons and perks unlocked after 6 hours of game play. not 50.

Air, if you have that issue, it's most likely your origin issue. They had it all of yesterday and have seen it a few times today too. try reopening origin.

12/14/2011 3:52:37 PM

Quote :

"dlc is NEW content for MORE money they get NO MORE money after I've acquired the content whether I play 24/7 grinding some bullshit unlocks or burn my computer. the games that pioneered these grinds were SUBSCRIPTION based and had an incentive to keep you playing month to month. but please, enlighten us as to the point of an unlock system in an FPS with no subscription"

so you're hoping games revert back to pre-COD times where there is no ranking and no unlocks and no achievements? more people are playing BF/COD franchises now than ever in history, and you're thinking they are doing it completely wrong?

12/14/2011 4:10:40 PM

more people played counterstrike than cod. more people played counterstrike than any other online game in history, peaking at 20mil players. steam is a success because it was tied to counterstrike as it was a huge pile of shit at launch. what still makes cs popular is the fact that you can just pick it up and play and not be at a disadvantage (outside skill level) from those who have played for years. just because the industry does it, doesn't make it a good thing. remember save points?

I'm interested to hear more backpedaling and explanation dodging. Really.

12/14/2011 4:30:48 PM

No one is backpedaling, and no industry is listening to you. Your archaic gaming convention is stuck in the late 90s - where it belongs. Next you're going to be sad you can't purchase your guns at the start of each round.

MW3 alone sold over $1 Billion in 16 days
BF3 has already topped 8 million units sold, that's close to $500 million worth in a little over a month

Yet you're under the impression that they are doing it totally wrong, right? Counterstrike was the way to go? I'm interested to hear more backpedaling and explanation dodging.

12/14/2011 6:07:22 PM

your argument is circular, try again. this time include the merits of an unlock and leveling system, rather than make some ridiculous implication that because game X makes money, every mechanic of it is good.

12/14/2011 7:55:50 PM

yeah, i'm behind smoothcrim on this one. Modern shooters have gotten short sited and less memorable than older classic fps'. Most have gotten into the pattern of, "just make a decent shooter, let people play it for a year, then make a sequel, add a number to the end and charge $60."

Don't get me wrong, I'll play the shit out of COD and any BF series game, but it says something when I go to a lan party and 90% of the games we play are 2005 or older and have way more fun. I can always trust to have fun with cs, tf2, or ut2k4.

12/14/2011 9:25:19 PM

I love the way CS did its weapons. it would never work for bf because it is not round based though. That method needs to be round based to succeed.

I can totally understand DLC and the profit from it. Does not mean i have to like it though.

CS was free content
desert combat - FREE

best game/mod and mod ever. THis will NEVER happen again due to the blocks put in modern games to stop modders and the game companies not releasing dev tools. does not mean i have to like it though.

sure, i may be stuck in the 90s, but the early 2000's CS days (1.5) were the best gaming days IMO. Valve even had IN GAME VOIP!!!! wow how remarkable.

12/14/2011 9:32:36 PM

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"your argument is circular, try again. this time include the merits of an unlock and leveling system, rather than make some ridiculous implication that because game X makes money, every mechanic of it is good."

gg, i knew you'd backpedal. while you're back there, do some research on Carrot & Stick

12/14/2011 10:27:21 PM

says the one who thinks that just because a game company makes money, their game is awesome...

12/14/2011 11:42:25 PM

^ where did you get this idea? when did i say because a game company "makes money" it is awesome?

How else would you like me to judge a games success? Should I use your opinion as the primary factor?

12/15/2011 12:29:29 AM

I'm just generalizing what you are trying to say of what you are arguing and generalizing in return to other's generalizations.

my opinion is moot since I honestly don't give a fuck what you think and you probably the same.

It's just stupid to put stupid requirements on the new weapons that really don't "make you feel you are progressing in the game" to play more. It's just annoying.

12/15/2011 1:19:39 AM

^ the argument was regarding unlocks / achievements, and whether they should be in the game or already have all weapons / gadgets / upgrades / perks available from the start, essentially removing all carrot & stick fundamentals from the game

you were agreeing with smoothcrim that they should already be there

12/15/2011 9:13:24 AM

and you have yet to mention the merits or financial incentives for a non-subscription based game to work in such a model. character customization would happen regardless. in fact, leveling and unlocks are a barrier to new players down the line as they are at significant disadvantage through no fault or lack of skill of their own.

12/15/2011 9:35:42 AM

Which weapons are your go to? I have been using the A-91 quite often on Engineer. its very affective. Thoughts?

12/15/2011 10:36:39 AM

I used the scar because it was easiest to get irnv for. It's probably the worst carbine so I'll be switching to m4 or a91

12/15/2011 10:37:57 AM

yea the A-91 with the IRNV is sick nasty

12/15/2011 10:39:28 AM