rwoody Save TWW 37524 Posts user info edit post |
Ok that's fair
Although I bet the originators of the term would paint the WSJ with the same brush 4/14/2022 2:38:29 PM |
PackMan2003 All American 2188 Posts user info edit post |
It’s not wrong that the WSJ is Neoliberal. 4/14/2022 3:00:51 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39179 Posts user info edit post |
^^ the WSJ and their readership are among the ones who have pushed that narrative since the 90’s 4/14/2022 3:26:37 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39179 Posts user info edit post |
Rupert Murdoch and his right-wing media empire are among the ones who helped mainstream the phrase. it’s part of the reason he teamed up with Roger Ailes to start Fox News
the WSJ is staunchly right-wing
media literacy is essential if you want to understand the current media landscape 4/14/2022 8:12:51 PM |
PackMan2003 All American 2188 Posts user info edit post |
We are probably just arguing over semantics. I mean Neoliberalism in the economic philosophy of free market capitalism. 4/14/2022 9:28:41 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37524 Posts user info edit post |
Multiple media people releasing books now containing important stories about Jan 6 that they intentionally held back from publication 4/26/2022 4:24:59 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39179 Posts user info edit post |
we love a fascist takeover, don’t we folks? 4/26/2022 4:48:56 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37524 Posts user info edit post |
https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1533168009140916225
Quote : | "THREAD. Today, the New York Times published one of its most dishonest, biased, and dangerous pro-police articles that I have ever read. What's happening at the NYT is important, so I try my best to explain below why it’s so harmful." |
6/4/2022 9:07:49 PM |
The Coz Tempus Fugitive 25667 Posts user info edit post |
Liberal media not being liberal enough! 6/5/2022 7:31:21 AM |
rwoody Save TWW 37524 Posts user info edit post |
Yea that's basically this whole thread.
That's probably not true, I don't know the first 30 pages, but recently....
[Edited on June 5, 2022 at 1:24 PM. Reason : E]
6/5/2022 1:14:08 PM |
The Coz Tempus Fugitive 25667 Posts user info edit post |
But do they even self-identify as liberal media, or is that just a pejorative term created by conservatives? 6/5/2022 2:00:26 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37524 Posts user info edit post |
Yea pejorative, the latter days of this thread is pointing out how it's false
But also it's worse bc they bend over backwards to prove they aren't conservative, giving voice to conservative columnists. The pendulum swings too far.
[Edited on June 5, 2022 at 2:30 PM. Reason : E] 6/5/2022 2:21:21 PM |
The Coz Tempus Fugitive 25667 Posts user info edit post |
OIC! 6/5/2022 3:15:52 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37524 Posts user info edit post |
Same guy as above but about ignoring progressive victories on criminal justice issues https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1534903354274488322
Quote : | "THREAD. Sometimes the bias of the New York Times is so outrageous that it surprises even me. Because what the NYT did yesterday in its election coverage is so dangerous, I try my best to analyze it carefully below." |
Quote : | "Take a look at this thread to see the progressive “criminal justice” wins NYT erased. Incredibly, a paradigm tough-on-crime candidate ran a scorched earth campaign against progressive California AG, and got trounced in a statewide election. NYT? Ignored. https://t.co/sazVuj1Cg8" |
6/9/2022 4:25:16 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37524 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I write a lot of snarky tweets about this sort of thing but earnestly: Everyone associated with the publication of this column should be ashamed of themselves. https://t.co/M6QVXXlWlQ This column, whose premise is that "both sides" are waging a war on women, contains exactly two sentences denouncing the Supreme Court's reversal of Roe v Wade. The rest is straightforward transphobic concern trolling. https://t.co/lJR4tKHcWu" |
https://twitter.com/RottenInDenmark/status/1543572058726088705
Comparing abortion to worries about language
[Edited on July 3, 2022 at 11:34 AM. Reason : E]7/3/2022 11:33:33 AM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39179 Posts user info edit post |
it’s insane how easy it is to just treat trans people with dignity and respect, yet people are still so excited to trip over themselves in an attempt to complain about treating them with dignity
even more insane to complain about it in the context of abortion rights being dismantled 7/3/2022 5:11:52 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39179 Posts user info edit post |
http://twitter.com/samthielman/status/1543729124887461889
Quote : | " First they came for every single person with a uterus, and I loudly complained about the phrase “person with a uterus”" |
7/3/2022 7:59:54 PM |
The Coz Tempus Fugitive 25667 Posts user info edit post |
What are the minimum requirements for treating trans people with dignity, and is it intuitive? 7/4/2022 11:14:24 AM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39179 Posts user info edit post |
not ostracizing them?
that easy enough for you? 7/4/2022 12:03:29 PM |
The Coz Tempus Fugitive 25667 Posts user info edit post |
Not on the surface of it. Just trying to understand evolving accommodations and rules and whether this requires special education and significant adaptation so as not to offend or whether it should be intuitive to someone who is not a shit person at baseline. 7/4/2022 2:07:29 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39179 Posts user info edit post |
I mean, you’ve misgendered someone on here within the last year
not that difficult to not do that 7/4/2022 5:27:23 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37524 Posts user info edit post |
I think at the simplest it's this: try not to be a dick. If someone asks you to use one thing use it. If you mess up try to correct yourself. Just like is someone's name is Jake and you call them john. 7/4/2022 5:39:13 PM |
bbehe Burn it all down. 18402 Posts user info edit post |
Sure, I get that. It's important not to misgender someone and use their correct pronouns/name.
I do think it's murky when you have an organization like the ACLU deliberately change a quote by someone like RBG to make it more inclusive. It comes off as extremely clunky. 7/4/2022 5:56:53 PM |
bbehe Burn it all down. 18402 Posts user info edit post |
To clarify I don't truly care, it's more I look at their attempt and think "that's fucking dumb" and move on with my life.
[Edited on July 4, 2022 at 5:58 PM. Reason : A] 7/4/2022 5:57:39 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39179 Posts user info edit post |
how many people are even aware of the ACLU, let alone aware of a statement of theirs?
I say this as someone who donates to them on a regular basis 7/4/2022 6:20:07 PM |
bbehe Burn it all down. 18402 Posts user info edit post |
Well, it sort of gets into the (what I believe) the Coz is saying.
In the most obvious layer, don't be a dick to people, call them what they want to be called.
In the less obvious layer, maybe drop saying things like "guys" and replacing it with "folks" or something more inclusive.
In the questionable area, would the RBG original quote be offensive? Is it more offensive to change the quote to be inclusive?
https://mobile.twitter.com/ACLU/status/1439259891064004610 7/4/2022 6:31:24 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39179 Posts user info edit post |
unless you’re actively trying to be a “well actually” guy, who the fuck cares?
if you do, it’s quite obvious you’re looking for any reason at all to roll your eyes over any kind of effort towards equality 7/4/2022 6:34:43 PM |
bbehe Burn it all down. 18402 Posts user info edit post |
Clearly since some journalists are updating their phrasing, people do care. 7/4/2022 6:39:23 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39179 Posts user info edit post |
bad faith bigots who are pushing their transphobic “documentary” certainly care
does it bother you that journalists are updating their phrasing? if so, why?
language evolves. it’s not the first time and it certainly won’t be the last 7/4/2022 6:44:45 PM |
bbehe Burn it all down. 18402 Posts user info edit post |
No, updating phrasing don't bother me. Updating a quote that person said is murky though.
I'm asking a genuine question though, would RBG's quote, in the original form, be offensive today? 7/4/2022 6:57:14 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39179 Posts user info edit post |
who gives a shit
brush it off and pay attention to things that actually matter
there’s a reason that the worst of the worst honed in on that misquote 7/4/2022 7:01:12 PM |
bbehe Burn it all down. 18402 Posts user info edit post |
Why can't you give a direct answer? 7/4/2022 7:01:53 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39179 Posts user info edit post |
it’s not deserving of one
there’s a godawful anti-LGBTQ movement going on in this country right now and I’m pretty comfortable in saying that those being effected by that don’t give a damn about an RBG misquote from the ACLU’s twitter account
the house is on fire and you’re choosing to focus on someone jaywalking 7/4/2022 7:08:57 PM |
bbehe Burn it all down. 18402 Posts user info edit post |
Someone cared enough to change the quote, so therefore it does matter. They're focused on the same thing.
You're the one who brought up the language journalists use, so lets discuss it. Either that or admit you don't have an answer. 7/4/2022 7:11:19 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39179 Posts user info edit post |
inclusive language doesn’t upset me
insinuating that inclusive language is as bad as the loss of a woman’s right to an abortion does 7/4/2022 10:03:16 PM |
bbehe Burn it all down. 18402 Posts user info edit post |
I said nothing of the thing.
I'm all for inclusive language, doesn't bother me one bit (well, minus having to spend time refactoring code to change branch from master to main)
I've actively made steps to correct myself using the phrase 'guys' and other gendered language that has fallen out of style because it's easy enough.
My question to you is simple, would RBGs quote be offensive today? I'm going to assume that for all your bluster, it wouldn't be given that you just said 'a woman's right' 7/4/2022 10:14:53 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39179 Posts user info edit post |
all of this started after rwoody posted a critique of that horrible op-ed from the NYT that equated inclusive language with the far right activism that ended Roe
I don’t know how many times I have to type that I don’t care at all about a tweet from the ACLU 7/4/2022 10:42:53 PM |
The Coz Tempus Fugitive 25667 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I mean, you’ve misgendered someone on here within the last year
not that difficult to not do that" |
Yes -- a Jeopardy celebrity multi-millionaire as a troll comment on an anonymous message board I'm confident SHE will never read. Do you think I'd intentionally misgender a person to HER face in real life? I would not. You went 0-100 on first reply in that instance, so clearly it matters a lot to you, and I've moderated my behavior accordingly. I'm pretty progressive, particularly given the environment and the locale in which I was raised, but some things remain less than intuitive and natural for me. I can't get on board with certain espoused accommodative policies just yet. You seem to believe the most progressive stances possible should just be the baseline and easy for anyone to accept. I don't find this reasonable if you seek a big tent consensus or incremental improvement. And if you don't seek that, what's the plan to accomplish any change in the desired direction? Certainly not the Supreme Court in its current construction. This is why bbehe's Progressive Dems Credibility Watch thread was largely warranted.7/5/2022 12:12:15 AM |
utowncha All American 853 Posts user info edit post |
well, there arent any republicans left here anymore, so the remaining disagreements largely fall under:
1) burn this motherfucker down 2) dont 7/5/2022 8:01:35 AM |
The Coz Tempus Fugitive 25667 Posts user info edit post |
I'm on Team Don't. Although I can see the appeal. 7/5/2022 9:32:06 AM |
rwoody Save TWW 37524 Posts user info edit post |
I think I'd frame it more that Republicans are actively burning it all down, the debate is whether we can/should implement incrememental or not drastic changes to fight back. Maybe the "can we" portion is more in focus than "should we" as well. I think that's being fair to the 'other side' of the small tww political compass.
But that's just the opinion of this sole annoying 'progressive' 7/5/2022 12:01:55 PM |
The Coz Tempus Fugitive 25667 Posts user info edit post |
They are playing the long game and winning. It's not that it doesn't concern me. It certainly does. But our current situation almost demands a generational AND educational solution. Raging at people who 90% agree with you over the 10% where they might not is not motivating or endearing. Not saying you're doing that, but consider those optics on the national scale. 7/5/2022 12:34:13 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37524 Posts user info edit post |
I mostly use tww as a place to dump my impotent rage. Me being mad here would probably get more votes if anything. If I was happy then 1/2 fence sitters might be running for the DeSantis hills.
My anger is proof that the dem party isn't radical? 7/5/2022 1:33:31 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39179 Posts user info edit post |
there’s only one radical party, and it for damn sure isn’t the Democrats 7/5/2022 1:42:43 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37524 Posts user info edit post |
Yea im stating what is for me obvious. I think there are only 2 regular TSB posters that have thoughts of not voting for the '24 Dem nominee, at least from the right. 7/5/2022 1:52:06 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37524 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Raging at people who 90% agree with you over the 10% where they might not is not motivating or endearing. " |
Btw this is a two way street, hence a thread dedicated to like 8ish members of congress and some twitter users.7/5/2022 2:16:33 PM |
bbehe Burn it all down. 18402 Posts user info edit post |
Again, I think you fail to realize how big social media influences people, characterizing it as 'some twitter users' is disingenuous and you know it.
You seem to get most of your news from twitter, so it feels really weird how much you're underselling the impact.
[Edited on July 5, 2022 at 4:40 PM. Reason : A] 7/5/2022 4:39:39 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37524 Posts user info edit post |
Twitter is great for prepackaged 'tww post' sized content, plenty of other sources. But I'm also "very online" as the folks say, most of the country isnt.
But also AOC has 13 million followers, Warren 6 million. BJG and ryan knight have less than a million combined. So the members of congress almost def have way more twitter clout than those two, maybe there are others I'm not aware of. And then the members of congress are killed by Hillary, Obama, Biden and others. 7/5/2022 6:49:59 PM |
bbehe Burn it all down. 18402 Posts user info edit post |
And yet you still have posted a random twitter user post as fact or providing any context when your assumptions clearly being wrong. 7/5/2022 6:55:48 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37524 Posts user info edit post |
Ok 7/5/2022 6:59:15 PM |