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12/23/2008 11:18:18 AM

^^ It was really no effort at all. And if you're not familiar with this image. . .



. . .then you can't begin to call yourself even mildly informed about recent American history. And anyone with MSN, Yahoo, and so on as a home page should, at a minimum, be aware of Caroline Kennedy's more recent activities as a current event.

I and many others find this incuriousness troubling.

[Edited on December 23, 2008 at 11:19 AM. Reason : ^]

12/23/2008 11:19:28 AM

I and many others think it is troubling that you find this issue so troubling.

[Edited on December 23, 2008 at 11:22 AM. Reason : ]

12/23/2008 11:21:16 AM

^

12/23/2008 11:21:43 AM

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"The sting in any rebuke is the truth."

--Benjamin Franklin

Maybe you'll get a trophy for not knowing stuff.

12/23/2008 11:40:48 AM

Perhaps you can get a nice new display case for the trophy you received for knowing trivia tidbits.

12/23/2008 11:43:32 AM

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"Well, under 25 should know that (1) Caroline Kennedy is JFK's daughter and (2) that she will possibly/probably be appointed to fill Hillary Clinton's Senate seat. This is really not too much to ask--it's not calculus, for God's sake. "

i think #2 is more topical than general fact to anyone outside of nc, though i agree that it seems somewhat irresponsible to not keep up with the news

12/23/2008 11:50:50 AM

Her recent activities? She hasn't been in the spotlight until she came out supporting Obama. To use a lack of knowledge about Caroline Kennedy as your torch for why Millenials are out of touch seems a little silly.

12/23/2008 11:57:00 AM

^^ Concerning the latter, I agree. And the concept of the Senate becoming even more of a House of Lords is lost on these incurious dim bulbs.

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"To use a lack of knowledge about Caroline Kennedy as your torch for why Millenials [sic] are out of touch seems a little silly."

^ I spelled it for you in the thread title. Would you like your trophy now?

12/23/2008 12:02:26 PM

Pointing out a spelling error as a way to avoid addressing my point?

What has Kennedy done outside of the past year that would make someone in the Millennial (I spell-checked that for you) generation know who she is.

1. Has the last name Kennedy.

12/23/2008 12:13:47 PM

OH NOES NOT A MISSPELLING ON A INTERNET FORUM BOARD!!!

12/23/2008 12:15:01 PM

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"Also, I would have been starkly ashamed to move back home after college--while it might be a sound financial decision, whatever happened to being independent and starting your own life?"

That all got shot to hell when greedy Baby Boomers shot the housing and job markets to Hell.

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Concerning the Caroline Kennedy situation, there is no benefit to knowing who she is, except for possibly those living in New York and she's not Paris Hilton, so she's not going to be on the front page. However, with this generation's accessibility to information, they better know every-fucking-thing.

12/23/2008 12:15:31 PM

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"And anyone with MSN, Yahoo, and so on as a home page should"

that's your problem right there

12/23/2008 12:17:36 PM

I think the term "Millenial" should presuppose an upper-middle class upbringing, which in turn justifies the sense of entitlement by this generation of babies.

12/23/2008 3:30:18 PM

^ yeah, that's the problem with this article, the term "millennial" seems to refer to all people born in a wide time span, but the article is only talking about spoiled yuppie babies.

12/23/2008 7:30:17 PM

i did research on millennials in grad school and i would love to contribute to this thread

but cotdamn hooksaw is a whiny bitch whenever someone offers an opinion or idea in anything less than a fucking APA cited thesis or something

so until this fucker expressly demonstrates the point in making this thread OR listening to the valid points that are being raised in some of the joke posts here, i'm gonna just quote this:

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"Don't talk about generations who are softer than their parents; you guys wrote the book."

12/23/2008 7:38:22 PM

ps

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"If the data are objectively assessed, which age-slice of today's working-age adults really does deserve to be called the dumbest generation? The answer may surprise you. No, it's not today's college-age kids, nor even today's family-starting 30-somethings. And no, it's not the 60-year-olds who once grooved at Woodstock. Instead, it's Americans in their 40s, especially their late 40s -- those born from the late 1950s to the mid-1960s. They straddle the boundary line between last-wave boomers and first-wave Generation Xers. The political consultant Jonathan Pontell labels them "Generation Jones." Whatever you call them (I'll just call them early Xers), the numbers are clear: Compared with every other birth cohort, they have performed the worst on standardized exams, acquired the fewest educational degrees and been the least attracted to professional careers. In a word, they're the dumbest."

now go get your fuckin' shinebox you judgmental douche

12/23/2008 7:47:02 PM

i was born in 81 and I kinda agree with this.

that said, I work my ass off, and only expect what I earn.

also, I didn't grow up in Suburbia. there were certainly winners and losers.

***I was spanked as a child.

Do I win?

and yeah, saying kids born between 80 and 95 are guilty of this is baseless and lazy. I know plenty of 40-somethings who are absolutely what this thread decries.

[Edited on December 23, 2008 at 10:19 PM. Reason : eat a dick]

12/23/2008 10:16:50 PM

Haaaaaaaai, Joel.

12/23/2008 10:19:11 PM

damn.

just read this entire thread for a second time, and it occurred to me just how overly condescending this prick is.

you know you're on thewolfweb, right?

and, again, I agree with a lot of the article, but 1980 is way too early of a year to bookend that range. when I was in high school, we had scant techonology, outside of dial-up internet in the library. i rarely played video games. I played sports, and ran around outside, rode my bike most places, never really asked for shit. take this generalization, glaze it on your toasted pride and rub it across your nipples.

90% of what the article discusses can be directly tied to parenting and/or the influence of pop culture (i know, cliche, but it's true). I was brought up fair in a disciplined, yet understanding household, and have long had a healthy disdain for 99.9% of anything I see on television--be it celebrity horseshit gossip, some video game shit, what beyonce is wearing, whatever. not to mention, I can't think of a single person my age who gives a fuck. the only way I agree at all is that I've seen this attitude pervade in people around the ages of 18-22 (b. 1986-1990). I can't speak for much younger than that, because I'm not exposed to that (no pedo).

[Edited on December 23, 2008 at 10:32 PM. Reason : sdfasdfasd]

12/23/2008 10:28:19 PM

i was just thinking today how i'm happy i was born at the beginning of my generation....those 1990 and above kids til 2k got it made

12/23/2008 10:30:15 PM

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"However, with this generation's accessibility to information, they better know every-fucking-thing."

We do. It just takes a few moments to load.

Memorizing facts makes little sense in the digital age, folks. Servers store such information far more efficiently than any brain.

12/23/2008 10:42:07 PM

side note ** my dad used to make me wash dishes by hand. we had a dishwasher.

12/23/2008 10:47:33 PM

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"hooksaw : I'm special. Mommy, Daddy, some teachers, and the media told me so."

are you serious?

can you hear yourself?

do you realize, that your M.O -- your entire raison d'etre -- . on this forum is to

(1) complain how the "young'uns" don't remember pop culture from the 1960's

and

(2) point out spelling errors


???


think about it, dude.

think about it.

12/23/2008 11:25:14 PM

seriously.

i've never been more baselessly condescended by anyone in my life.

internet counts in this case.

12/23/2008 11:26:09 PM

is this guy a professor or something

he reminds me of basically every evil dean/faculty member from any cliched college movie

even better: this guy is f. murry abraham in finding forrester

12/24/2008 12:35:54 AM

haha, he's a TA

12/24/2008 12:45:03 AM

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"I'm very curious as to why hooksaw thinks that I should be aware of a woman who is from another part of the country, has done nothing noteworthy, and whose sole connection to importance is from a last name that I do, in fact, recognize, but only because it puts her in a family of near-extinct national punchlines that arguably produced two competent offspring, both of which hooksaw's generation promptly shot."

12/24/2008 12:46:15 AM

is he a phd student?

12/24/2008 12:46:36 AM

MA in Liberal Studies

12/24/2008 12:49:06 AM

How do you know these things, and what other details can you provide?

12/24/2008 12:51:00 AM

He's openly stated those things in some of his insufferable Study Hall posts.

[Edited on December 24, 2008 at 12:53 AM. Reason : not a big secret or anything]

12/24/2008 12:52:19 AM

Oh. I have to admit I never spent much time in study hall, and none at all since I graduated.

12/24/2008 12:57:08 AM

oh com'on, really?

i thought a masters in education was pushing it

but this guy wants to get high and mighty with a liberal studies degree?

when history looks at our generation, it will see the group that fought tooth and nail against his generation to drag this country into the future it deserves rather than the future they desire

in 100 years nobody is going to care that white, middle and upper class children received special attention, or that we embraced technology in every facet of our lives; in 100 years people will remember the hard work we did undoing the damage that our parent's greed and individualism created for our national community

you think this country is in the financial danger its in, with the kind of partisan anger and division we see daily, because of millennials?

you have fun criticizing us because we like jobs where we can do what it takes you an hour to do in less than 15 minutes and would like a management style that reflects that

you have fun making fun of our lack of civic engagement in regards to the senate seat chances of some twat from "Camelot", while my generation will continue to run out and marginalize the lobbyists, theocrats, and greedy deregulators your generation was so desperate to embolden with more power

and finally, you keep on decrying our weak results in education, results you've found statistics to engineer, when it is your fucking generation teaching the classes, designing the curriculum, setting the policies, and dishing out the budgets

once again, when you're ready to have an actual talk about this topic, you just let me know

until then:

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""Don't talk about generations who are softer than their parents; you guys wrote the book.""

12/24/2008 1:04:41 AM

personally I've always thought that they should cut this shit a little differently, I mean I see a huge difference just between my sister's age group '87 and mine '84 so going all the way to 95 seems ridiculous

12/24/2008 1:16:17 AM

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"damn. just read this entire thread for a second time, and it occurred to me just how overly condescending this prick is."

WillemJoel

Despite your ad homs, you seem halfway reasonable--and I think you're friends with Joie--so I'll try to be reasonable with you:

Concerning the latter part of your sentence, this is not the case. First, I freely admit that I'm giving some payback to the fucktards here who continually ride my nuts about my age--turnabout is fair play, man. It doesn't surprise me, though, that some here whine like a dentist's drill about it.

Second, I am trying to get some of you to wake up! You don't have to always agree with me or do everything the way I do it or would do it, but some of the shit you younger people do is seriously wrong and could lead to a further erosion of generally accepted standards, traditions that have served us well for generations, and even society itself. In any event, an older generation expressing concerns/displeasure with a younger generation is nothing new--why are some of you acting so surprised by this?

Third, you obviously didn't read the "entire thread," because you missed these significant quotations:

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"For the record, I never indicated that other generations--including mine--don't have shortcomings. All generations do. But the topic for this thread is the so-called Millennials. Are the criticisms--and the praise--valid or not? If not, why not?"

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"I'm just holding up a mirror to many 'Millenials' [sic]. But please understand, if a lot of you actually are fucked up in certain ways, we, 'Gen X' and 'Boomers,' played a huge part in that."

hooksaw

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You completely missed my mea culpa.

And here are a couple of examples of the kind of stupid shit I'm talking about--just witness these trinkets:

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"He's openly stated those things in some of his insufferable Study Hall posts."

Kodijack

Every single time I posted in Study Hall I was just trying to help students. Some had simple course-related questions. Others were talking about cheating--and I will NEVER tolerate this in my classroom. If you can't grasp this straightforward concept, then you are a big part of the erosion of ethical standards and the devaluation of our degrees.

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"but this guy wants to get high and mighty with a liberal studies degree?"

Woodfool

NEWSFLASH: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE POSTING ABOUT--AGAIN!!!1 I was only required to take THREE COURSES in LS--count 'em: THREE!!!1 My CONCENTRATION is in public administration and higher education! Now, why don't you tell us all what you have against these disciplines? I'm sure you'll think of some horseshit!

You, too, missed the mea culpa. Follow your own advice, dude:

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"once again, when you're ready to have an actual talk about this topic, you just let me know"

BTW, yes, I sometimes have a little fun with the usernames of people who get on my nerves. What of it? Do some of you have any idea how freely you toss around the "[OLD]"-bomb? That shit hurts a little--(1) because I don't look old and (2) because I don't feel old.

FWIW, I don't dislike Millennials as much as some of you think. I'm married to one!

In any event, I wish ALL Millennials a MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!1

[Edited on December 24, 2008 at 4:12 AM. Reason : PS: Would you like your trophy now? ]

12/24/2008 4:10:13 AM

so I'm reasonable by association?

OK. I see where this thread went.

12/24/2008 9:42:18 AM

I work hard when there is work to be done....

which is why i feel bad right now

But i, too was spanked

i, too had winners and losers
i, too worked hard all my life

i mean i bought my first car on my own.

My former roommate, now tenant is more of a millennial by this definition than i am... he's 38... do the math.

But in this world where intelligence can destroy work ethic with the right tools most of us are doing more work than the slow and steadies from the generations before and having time to mess around too. Right now i have literally nothing to do and no one to give me any more to do.

so i post... i post soooo far awwaaaayyyyy... and i ppooossstt ........

i gotta get away...

12/24/2008 9:51:08 AM

yeah I keep hearing about the no-losers Little League games, but I have never actually witnessed this phenomenon

must be like bra burning, a mythical event that never actually happened but caught on as a symbol of the times

12/24/2008 9:57:07 AM

All of my little league games (basketball and baseball) had winners and losers, swimming was the only only sport I played as a kid where I got a "participation" ribbon.

12/24/2008 10:00:35 AM

I rode by a middle school the other day where some kids were being allowed to play dodgeball.

I was pleased.

12/24/2008 10:07:18 AM

My hs had dodgeball friday...

and it was always Advance P.E. Vs Advanced P.E. (non freshmen p.e.)

and Weightlifting Vs Freshmen P.E. (slaughter fest)

12/24/2008 10:13:27 AM

hooksaw - you've stated yourself that liberal studies do not have a "checklist" to completing a degree

i have a masters where my specialization is in one of your concentrations, and i'm actually thinking about getting a phd in your other concentration.

now lets look at this for a minute

my degree's curriculum and objectives were set, relatively speaking, in stone by career educators, practitioners, and scholars - your degree curriculum and objectives were set, largely, by you. now i understand, from reading this thread, that you think pretty fucking highly of yourself, but at the end of the day - if i'm trying to make some cookies i'd rather take betty crocker's advice on what order to put the eggs in.

thats my problem with liberal studies and thats why i didn't go for that degree and instead got my degree from one of the nation's top schools of education

oh, and thanks for ignoring every other point i made

[Edited on December 24, 2008 at 11:10 AM. Reason : WROTE THE BOOK]

12/24/2008 11:08:40 AM

I'm so glad Woodfoot is back

12/24/2008 11:10:37 AM

damn straight.

i enjoy seeing hooksaw get thoroughly thrashed by an objective party.

12/24/2008 1:00:31 PM

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"Every single time I posted in Study Hall I was just trying to help students. Some had simple course-related questions. Others were talking about cheating--and I will NEVER tolerate this in my classroom. If you can't grasp this straightforward concept, then you are a big part of the erosion of ethical standards and the devaluation of our degrees. "

You can provide valid and useful information while still being an insufferable, condescending douche about it.

12/24/2008 1:26:36 PM

lol, i love when people blame the students for the "devaluation of degrees"

sure, students might not appear to be putting in the work their parents did in college, but if you want to know the real problem with college today:

its called retention, and boards of trustees have sacrificed their degrees and departments to keep it high

its called grade inflation, and professors have kept it going to keep their research time and meet the administration's goals

its called us news and world reports, and our schools have knelt before it and offered up their sacrifices of rigor and scholarship in order to get a golden ribbon for their school

its called standardized testing, and our grade schools have looked at them and looked at their school boards' demands and goals and said "we don't care what happens once they get there, but we will do whatever it takes to send our students to 4-year colleges"

its called community colleges and trade schools, and the concerted effort of the 4-year-college-culture to bastardize the associate degree

but you go ahead and blame the 18 year old who shows up to a messed up system for coming out with a messed up degree

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"WROTE THE BOOK"

12/24/2008 1:38:17 PM

gg

12/24/2008 1:51:49 PM

^^ Woodfoot for the mother fucking win.

12/24/2008 3:36:05 PM

you're a millennial right, so i'm guessing you really mean "Woodfoot for the mother fucking participation award"



and actually - Hersh and Merrow ftmfw

[Edited on December 24, 2008 at 3:56 PM. Reason : http://www.decliningbydegrees.org/]

12/24/2008 3:45:32 PM