yes let's praise her for making the world a safer place

BUILD THIS SAINT A STATUE

10/29/2005 5:26:50 PM

who is she receiving praise from, it seems like a low blow thing to do really

10/29/2005 5:40:19 PM

what SHE did? yeah, it is.

10/29/2005 5:43:23 PM

Your argument should not be that they weren't drinking, because anyone that wasn't born yesterday will correctly assume they were.

The correct argument is that the evidence is from an unreliable source, vague, inconclusive and inadmissable.

10/29/2005 5:49:38 PM

if you were really an uptight dillwad and wanted to write someone up for underage drinking, walk around the hall a couple of random times on a weekend night and find a door open with underage people drinking inside. YOU WILL FIND ONE. It might take a few tries. But that is validly aginst the policy, to drink underage in the dorm and there is no question of procedure. Why can't you do that instead of this bullshit?

10/29/2005 6:14:30 PM

Just to update you guys about the media attention this is getting around the state. I just heard from my parent in Winston-Salem that this story made the 10pm news last night along with a story about Duke University.

[Edited on October 29, 2005 at 9:39 PM. Reason : wrong information given out]

10/29/2005 9:34:21 PM

http://www.wral.com/news/5204275/detail.html

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""Students need to be responsible for the choices that they make and know that those choices they make lead to specific consequences that might have an impact on their eligibility to live in housing and perhaps their eligibility to continue as an N.C. State student," Grant said. The students who face charges are scheduled to go before the Office of Student Conduct next week. Depending on the offense, whether it is a first or second offense, the students may be assigned to an alcohol education class or placed on probation."

Disciplinary probation closes a lot of doors. :| You can't get it off your record either to my knowledge.

10/29/2005 9:54:54 PM

^, i've known several people who have gotten caught drinking in the dorms, all they do is make you take an alcohol class. They don't put you on probation. If you do something worse you may get probation but the first time it's only for like a year, then if you get in trouble again it's until you are done at the school. Getting in trouble for drinking in the dorm will not be on a transcript. So it's not going to close any doors. And if you've only gotten in trouble 1 time and were put on probation I don't think that will be on your transcript and you can appeal to have the record sealed.

Anyhow these kids should all go in and deny it. Say they did not drink in the dorms, they were in the dorm together but not drinking. "I don't know how those beers got in the picture. We weren't drinking." and if at the end of the meeting if they told me I was being sanctioned, I'd say "well since you can't prove that I was drinkning and are sanctioning me anyway... you'll be hearing from my lawyer". And then I'd pursue to sue them for defamation of character, and libel the second it went down on paper. If they cleared my record i'd drop the lawsuit, if not i'd be more than happy to pursue.

[Edited on October 29, 2005 at 10:50 PM. Reason : .]

10/29/2005 10:44:32 PM

This is rediculous. I hope somebody takes it for the team and get a lawyer to put these fuckers in their place.

Or maybe we should start a boycott of University Housing. I'd love to see what would happen to them with a 15% vacancy rate.

[Edited on October 30, 2005 at 12:48 AM. Reason : ?]

10/30/2005 12:47:55 AM

alright quit comparing an apple to an orange. they're both fruits but it doesn't mean they're the same. killing a person and drinking is not the same, so a picture providing evidence wouldn't be taken to same severity.

seriously, if i was in charge i would have dismissed the case already because it's unreliable. one, the pictures were taken off from a website, i.e. not from her posession. two, they're digital, not hardcopy, so who knows if they were altered. if for some reason, there were actual photographs within the ra's possesion that she took of the person that was drinking, ok then maybe there is a case.

i mean, i don't think putting a picture of yourself drinking on facebook is a very bright idea, but i don't agree that that person should be put to trial on an unjust cause. and they're innocent until proven guilty. just wanted to point that out to the person who said they were.

10/30/2005 2:21:34 AM

I really am interested in rather you can or cannot get legal action on this kind of thing. It does go on a university official record (which can be requested even tho it's not in on your transcript) and I would clearly think that fits defamation of character when it's something that clearly has no solid proof behind it.

There just seems to be so little accountability for unbaised voilation writeups. The system really has no one to answer for, this isn't the first time i've heard about problems with student conduct (well, actually personal experience). if none of the accused have been to student legal services then it's worth a try at least. I'm sure they get cases that are worse wastes of their time.

10/30/2005 2:26:51 AM

Nerdchick:

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"people who are drinking in their facebook picture are tools anyway"

I'm surprised that this happened in Alexander of all places, being both international and wet.

As I understand it, you have to be:

1. underage
2. in a residence hall
3. holding an alcohol container

and then you are definitely breaking policy.

10/30/2005 9:55:56 AM

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"I'd love to see what would happen to them with a 15% vacancy rate."

No matter how restrictive the Housing contract is, no matter how much they gouge you for rent, no matter how poor the facilities are, no matter how many times they kick you out of your home for "breaks", it will never happen. You underestimate how many dumb freshmen are born each day, and how appealing this incident will be to parents. An aggressive alcohol policy is exactly why they encourage their children to choose on-campus housing.

10/30/2005 9:56:08 AM

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"I'd say "well since you can't prove that I was drinkning and are sanctioning me anyway... you'll be hearing from my lawyer". And then I'd pursue to sue them for defamation of character, and libel the second it went down on paper. If they cleared my record i'd drop the lawsuit, if not i'd be more than happy to pursue."

and they would laugh at you.

10/30/2005 10:25:55 AM

^ why's that?

This is pretty silly shit, digital photos probably wouldn't hold up in a court of law. Now this isn't a court of law and it doesn't work the same at all, but everyone knows this is bullshit. They're just gonna get a slap on the wrist, unless any of them have been in trouble before. Knowing that, I would probably just let it go if it were me. But if it meant getting in some kind of greater trouble, no way.

10/30/2005 10:34:02 AM

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"digital photos probably wouldn't hold up in a court of law"

why not?

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"They're just gonna get a slap on the wrist"

no shit...

10/30/2005 10:49:30 AM

^ same reason people who have wireless networks have been getting RIAA lawsuits dropped. They can't prove that it wasn't someone else that downloaded the files on the wireless network. And in this case they can't prove that the photos weren't altered. granted we all know that's not what happened, but that possibility is still enough for it not to be conlusive in court. As for student conduct, they operate very differently than a court of law, but they need to exercise some sort of judgement in what they allow to happen over there.

[Edited on October 30, 2005 at 10:57 AM. Reason : .]

10/30/2005 10:53:41 AM

10/30/2005 10:57:31 AM

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"they need to exercise some sort of judgement in what they allow to happen over there."

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"granted we all know that's not what happened"

10/30/2005 11:02:14 AM

I would like to get a raise of hands on who all honestly fucking thinks they photoshopped beer cans into their hands.

STARTING




NOW

10/30/2005 12:16:54 PM

someone should photoshop beer into a picture of the RA that busted them

charges dropped immediately

10/30/2005 12:20:48 PM

^ get a can shaped item with blue construction paper all over it and get a picture of the RA holding. With a skilled photoshop user and that picture, no problem making it realisitc.

But i also notice a trend lately that no one has been seeing that RA around much. HIDE IN YOUR ROOM AS LONG AS YOU CAN!!1

10/30/2005 12:31:11 PM

Well, this certainly isn't surprising -- sometimes "authorities" want to make a show of how "connected" they are to the real underbelly of student social interaction, so they try to make examples like this.

"You can run little underage drinker, but you can't hide! I can browse your Facebook profile!"

Whatever -- the privacy arguments are pretty dubious; the "conclusive evidence" one is a little better but not great.

But the administration is incredibly stupid to make their methods known in this way. Surely it's a lot better for students to post pictures of themselves drinking underage on Facebook -- that can help to catch them in the act.

But if the University makes it clear that they'll repremand based on the picture alone, then people will just stop posting them. And they'll keep drinking underage -- it's not like people drink just so they can post pictures of it on the Internet!

10/30/2005 12:57:10 PM

^Think about this from the University's perspective. A freshman comes to college, gets on facebook, and sees tons of people drinking on their profiles. Plus he knows there's nothing happening to those people. What is he going to think?

10/30/2005 1:40:03 PM

think about the RA's perspective when she goes to testify and sees a photochopped pic of herself drinking beer in the dorm.

10/30/2005 1:44:49 PM

hey, I'm an RA, I would never do that shit

10/30/2005 1:46:34 PM

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""I'd love to see what would happen to them with a 15% vacancy rate.""

I don't know about that, but it will certainly get around amongst the international students, their numbers may dwindle some.

10/30/2005 1:46:36 PM

Think about this from a "sane person's" perspective. Freshman comes to college, gets on the internet and sees "18 y/o college porn" with UNIVERSITY LOGOS on the wall. They might automatically assume college is only people fucking. Grow up and use your brain.

10/30/2005 1:46:49 PM

wait there people are from jordan? i dont recognize names

10/30/2005 1:49:15 PM

this isnt the court of law, this is ncsu judicial court. huge fucking difference, those people are nazis. you dont need proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

10/30/2005 1:56:26 PM

they sure as hell don't

when I got in trouble they asked me to explain before they told me what the cop wrote down. I was like, what the fuck. What am I here to explain?

10/30/2005 2:00:36 PM

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" i dont care if u are at home at church or wherever, if u possess it, its illegal"

So does that mean it's illegal to have communion?

10/30/2005 2:55:51 PM

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"I would like to get a raise of hands on who all honestly fucking thinks they photoshopped beer cans into their hands. STARTING NOW"

look up!

the point is flying over your head, son

10/30/2005 5:01:12 PM

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"this is ncsu judicial court. huge fucking difference, those people are nazis. you dont need proof beyond a reasonable doubt."

10/30/2005 5:17:34 PM

so photoshop a beer into the RA's hand.

problem solved.

10/30/2005 5:22:14 PM

^prblem solved

10/30/2005 5:53:44 PM

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" I don't know about that, but it will certainly get around amongst the international students, their numbers may dwindle some."

They've already dwindled. No international student comes to the middle of NC because they want to. And i've heard about when this dorm had WAY more international students and more interest from the student body. We have so many rooms without international students. This RA is just one more blow. The vast majority of schools of this size have way more active exchange programs. Not particularly Raleigh, but this general area is one of the worst places in the nation. And it's because of people like Amanda Bostian. I think it's important for housing to look at some precent maybe set by, oh, i dunno, other schools. This isn't normal. We have broken ground in the fucking of our own students.

Potential internationl students aren't gona hear about this anyway. It's just one more log of shit that they get stuck b/c they couldn't get the program that sent them to NYC.

10/30/2005 6:02:02 PM

I hear that this Amanda Bostian is quite the party animal herself.

10/30/2005 6:29:39 PM

that is awesome

10/30/2005 6:36:18 PM

lol we should forward that pic to student conduct anonymously

[Edited on October 30, 2005 at 6:38 PM. Reason : .]

10/30/2005 6:37:56 PM

sweet idea...second notion passed...

10/30/2005 6:39:38 PM

nice work Adam!

10/30/2005 7:52:45 PM

ive already mailed it off

10/30/2005 7:57:04 PM

hahahaha @ picture.

10/30/2005 7:57:32 PM

She was in my grade Jon

10/30/2005 8:09:07 PM

that pic needs the block s logo on the hat

10/30/2005 8:14:07 PM

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"that pic needs the block s logo on the hat"

How dare you suggest that, sir! I would never attempt to alter infallible photographic evidence. Perish the thought!

10/30/2005 8:32:08 PM

There will be a meeting this Wednesday at 8pm in 206 Witherspoon Student Center where a response on behalf of the Student Body will be drafted. We are looking for as many people as possible to come and tell their opinions and feelings regarding this.
Any Alexander residents you can get out for that evening would be great. We are also planning to invite in members of the administration of University Housing to explain their case and why they feel enforcing policy in this manor is in any way appropriate. We will do all we can to see that those who have an impact in deciding if these violations are valid and levying sanctions know very clearly how the students at this University stand on this issue.


In the long-term, it is being discussed how we can prevent something like this from happening again. Ideas are floating around as to how but what I’m looking at is encouraging University Housing to set a clear policy for their RA’s in future years as to what is and isn’t appropriate ways to cite students for violations. If housing will not do it on their own, taking the issue to the Board of Trustees is not beyond belief. Students can really have an impact in making this happen and helping to prevent future students from having to deal with this type of consequences from having a over zealous RA or housing admin. If you have any ideas, send them to me or talk to me after the meeting. My email is jmsevits@ncsu.edu


Oh, and the photoshop is great btw. Shame, shame, what a hypocrite.

10/30/2005 8:34:02 PM

^
I'd like to go to that (would it be inappropriate to bring the NCSU nazi signs? (jk)

btw, Good photoshop, maybe she'll try to sue TWW over it

10/30/2005 8:52:57 PM

how can she prove it was photochopped...

10/30/2005 8:55:59 PM