man we sound like we were awesome.

surely we made at least one elite 8 in 10 years, right?

oh...

3/8/2008 10:05:49 PM

We were on the way to making them possibly though....now we have no chance at even making a NIT elite eight. We only made the tournament five years because our talent was too lacking to make it in the first five.

3/9/2008 12:49:44 AM

PLZ COMMIT TO STATE LORENZO

3/9/2008 12:51:02 AM

^^ We were never going to make it past the Sweet Sixteen with Herb. His unwillingness to stray too far from his Princeton offense, even when a particular game/opponent called for it, is the reason why. His last tourney game w/ us against Texas is indicative of what I'm talking about. We weren't hitting our shots early in the game and we got down. Texas was using our lack of athleticism against us and Herb seemed like he recognized this and put in Fells and Grant. Those two, plus Bennerman, brought us back even by the end of the first half. But at the beginning of the second half, it was right back to the same ol pass for thirty seconds and then shoot a 3 shit. Teams that live and die by the jump shot rarely if ever win the whole tournament. Especially when their coach refuses to change tactics, even when it's absolutely necessary.

I'll take my chances with Sid and if he doesn't pan out, then it's on to the next guy.

3/9/2008 1:26:51 AM

God you people just have to bring up Herb and talk shit. So much of your post is wrong it's not funny.

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"His unwillingness to stray too far from his Princeton offense,"

He brought in Larry Hunter from Ohio University in year 5 and revamped the offense. Result=start of 5 year NCAA run.

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"Teams that live and die by the jump shot rarely if ever win the whole tournament."

See Duke in any given year especially this year. Tell me what they have outside a jump shot.

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"Especially when their coach refuses to change tactics, even when it's absolutely necessary. "

Once again he almost completely changed the offense and we were top 5 in scoring in ACC last 5 years. And by your logic, Jim Boeheim is a terrible coach for using the same tactics for 32 years.

[Edited on March 9, 2008 at 1:42 AM. Reason : My bad for taking over the thread....we almost have to get one of Wall/Favors/Brown]

3/9/2008 1:33:56 AM

^Yeah, you're right, Brand and Boozer were big jump shooters.

3/9/2008 7:11:50 AM

Julius Mays hits game winner in playoffs:

http://www.chronicle-tribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080309/SPORTS/803090341/1006

3/9/2008 7:32:53 AM

^^^ duke just lost to carolina in cameron. no way they win it all this year.

3/9/2008 8:07:14 AM

yeah, duke has been on the slide since the lost shelden williams, leaving them with just jump shooters. This guy is an idiot. Even if they were doing well, they are an outlier. Herb could never do what K does with the same talent.

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"So much of your post is wrong it's not funny"

Which is why you ignored most his post about the texas game and raised some strawman argument? riiight. No one said that changing from no system to princeton was bad. He said that not changing from the princeton to something that could actually exploit athleticism was bad.

But you're an apologist and a stupid one at that, so there were lots of opportunities for you to miss that.

The only basis that you have for asserting that herb would have gotten past the first weekend more regularly than he did before is your own terrible basketball judgement. Herb made the same bad decisions up to his final fucking game, and his recruiting wasn't any better than the previous 5 years.

[Edited on March 9, 2008 at 10:13 AM. Reason : .]

3/9/2008 10:02:51 AM

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"Herb could never do what K does with the same talent."

I'm not sure what you're getting at and I could be misunderstanding, but are you implying K gets a lot out of a little? Because a lot of people seem to think Duke teams are these overachievers but they consistently have more McD's AA's than any team in the country and have eight of the motherfuckers this year. Every year they don't make the Final 4 they have drastically underachieved.

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"And by your logic, Jim Boeheim is a terrible coach for using the same tactics for 32 years."

Not for nothing, but his reluctance to come out of his zone has hurt the team the last two years.. big time. They should be playing man with the roster they have.

[Edited on March 9, 2008 at 11:12 AM. Reason : x]

3/9/2008 11:11:35 AM

I'm saying that coach K is an absolutely better coach than herb. Just because K has done well with a team of mostly just shooters and no bigs doesn't mean herb could.

3/9/2008 11:20:43 AM

Oh, ok... well that isn't a stretch. K is one of the best coaches in the history of college bball...

I think Herb is a better coach than a lot of people give him credit for but certainly not elite yet... I think ASU might be an easier place to sell to todays recruits than NC State though... plus there is a LOT of leftover talent in SoCal to choose from.

People can try and sell tradition from long ago and Raleigh all they want but to an 18-year old the perfect Tempe weather and tons of easy, great looking girls is a much easier sell. Luckily in general the ACC > Pac-10 for east coast kids.

[Edited on March 9, 2008 at 12:05 PM. Reason : x]

3/9/2008 12:03:57 PM

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"See Duke in any given year especially this year. Tell me what they have outside a jump shot."

So you seriously think Duke has a good shot of winning the tournament this year? They beat us, a team that you can't seem to criticize enough, by 1 point on a couple of questionable calls.

They had JJ Reddick, one of the best jump shooters of all time, for 4 years, and didn't win the tournament because they didn't have enough of an inside presence (Shelden Williams wasn't dominant enough to do it by himself).

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"And by your logic, Jim Boeheim is a terrible coach for using the same tactics for 32 years."

This isn't what I said and you know it. Quit making up for your debating inadequacies by constructing straw-man arguments.

3/9/2008 2:10:56 PM

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"Herb could never do what K does with the same talent."

How do you know this know-it-all? I mean the most Herb ever had was 2 McD's AAs at one time. Some of you think he was constantly bringing in top 10 classes when we were usually right there around 20-30th which is about where we finished each year.

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"So you seriously think Duke has a good shot of winning the tournament this year? They beat us, a team that you can't seem to criticize enough, by 1 point on a couple of questionable calls."

UNC beat UVA by 1 point, does that mean they won't go far too? FWIW UNC is probably more a FF team than Duke. Duke is 2-and done.

[Edited on March 9, 2008 at 7:22 PM. Reason : ^Am I suppossed to be impressed by your big words?]

[Edited on March 9, 2008 at 7:28 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2008 7:22:19 PM

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"How do you know this know-it-all? I mean the most Herb ever had was 2 McD's AAs at one time. Some of you think he was constantly bringing in top 10 classes when we were usually right there around 20-30th which is about where we finished each year. "

Whose fault is it that Herb didn't bring in more McDonald's All-Americans? Given Herb's boring as shit brand of offense, I'm not surprised he didn't have blue-chip recruits beating down his door. A system like that doesn't exactly highlight a player's abilities.

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"UNC beat UVA by 1 point, does that mean they won't go far too? FWIW UNC is probably more a FF team than Duke. Duke is 2-and done."

Duke being a 2-and done is probably the first smart thing I've read from you, in this thread or in any other. And for what it's worth John Paul Jones arena is a tough place to play. The same can't be said for the RBC.

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"^Am I suppossed to be impressed by your big words?"

And no you shouldn't be impressed by anything I type. Just like I shouldn't be surprised that you don't know how to spell "supposed".

3/9/2008 7:45:08 PM

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"Herb could never do what K does with the same talent."

I'm not so sure about that. I think K underachieves pretty heavily with his talent.

3/9/2008 7:50:39 PM

I really don't think you two idiots are having any relevant discussion about our basketball recruiting.

3/9/2008 7:54:41 PM

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"And for what it's worth John Paul Jones arena is a tough place to play. The same can't be said for the RBC."

Ok that's got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read on here. Yes the JPJ Arena seems to be one of the toughest arenas to play in the ACC right now, but the RBC Center is a tough place to play in fact tougher than the JPJ Arena.

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"James Mays, Clemson Who has the craziest fans? Duke man, the Cameron Crazies by far. NC State is a close second and then Maryland. I went to so many games at NC State, I can't even count how many. I also went to so many Duke and Carolina games too. Who has the best facility? By far it has to be NC State. The RBC Center is crazy. It's huge. When you get it packed in there, it's crazy."

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"A.D. Vassallo, Virginia Tech Who has the best facility? Traditionally, I like the UNC facility, it's real nice. NC State has the premier facility. The RBC Center is pretty much brand new, so that makes it better."

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"Jeremis Smith, Georgia Tech Who has the best facility? NC State. I also like the new facility at Virginia. If they had a pro [basketball] team at the RBC Center, they definitely could host games."

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"Harvey Hale, Wake Forest Who has the craziest fans? NC State. Man, they just some say some tough stuff, some harsh stuff. I was like, 'Wow. Did he really say that.'"

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"Marcus Ginyard, North Carolina Who has the craziest fans? NC State and obviously Duke's, they are loud and crazy. I'd think everyone's top two answers would be NC State and Duke. Who has the best facility? I haven't been to Virginia yet. Virginia Tech is definitely last. NC State maybe. They play in the RBC Center and that isn't bad. Boston College has a nice gym and Clemson has a nice gym. It's a toss-up. I'd have to say Boston College and I'm assuming Virginia because it is brand new."

3/9/2008 8:26:44 PM

I guess he might be talking about this year.

The RBC definitely hasn't been a tough place to play this year.

3/9/2008 8:29:35 PM

Games that it was supposedly pretty loud and crazy for were Davidson, Cincy, Virginia Tech, UNC, Duke, Wake, Miami, and Clemson.

3/9/2008 8:33:52 PM

that's it... i'm going to spill my guts...

after having lived through 27 seasons of ncsu basketball in my life and clearly remembering more than 20 of them....

can say as an honest man that i remember the days of tom gugliatta and chris corchiani rackin up the big wins.

i remember the les robinson invitationals and bobby sura when fla state entered the conference.

and we can all remember the herb years of 0.1% excitment, but with the clear knowledge that we were going to go to the ncaa's each year. (at least i felt that way)

and then the abandonment and ridicule of the nation when we hired the circus to parade our coaching problem when herb left.

then there's last year. the hope comes alive that we -can- beat unc when they've bought the best basketball team money can bye and a great coach. and the sudden surge of momentum that had everybody thinking that we'd be getting an acc title in the next few years.

and then there's this season. wow. probably the worst performance of players and coaches i can honestly remember. this is much worse than the days, much much worse than when we were -supposed- to finish last in the acc.

i really am at a lose of words. but i still think lowe deserves at least 5 years to get this program going. somedays i wish it were 3 years though at most.

that is all.

3/9/2008 8:34:11 PM

uh, the duke game was not loud nor crazy.

there was hardly anybody there and the ones that were had blue on.

3/9/2008 8:36:38 PM

^^^ I was talking about the team itself at home, more so than the fans/atmosphere. And I was referring to this year more than anything, but JPJ has been a tough road game for any team to play since it opened last year. Our record against any better than average team, aka Duke and Carolina, in the RBC is pretty crappy. Not to mention we've had trouble with the below average teams at home this season.

[Edited on March 9, 2008 at 8:38 PM. Reason : asdf]

3/9/2008 8:37:31 PM

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"Duke being a 2-and done is probably the first smart thing I've read from you, in this thread or in any other. And for what it's worth John Paul Jones arena is a tough place to play. The same can't be said for the RBC."

QFT. You talking down to me is funny. But it is a pointless arguement because we both think we are right.

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"How do you know this know-it-all? I mean the most Herb ever had was 2 McD's AAs at one time. Some of you think he was constantly bringing in top 10 classes when we were usually right there around 20-30th which is about where we finished each year. "

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"Whose fault is it that Herb didn't bring in more McDonald's All-Americans? Given Herb's boring as shit brand of offense, I'm not surprised he didn't have blue-chip recruits beating down his door. A system like that doesn't exactly highlight a player's abilities. "

This was not directed at you. It was directed at another know-it all skokiaan

3/9/2008 9:58:54 PM

Can we please, for the love of all that is holy, keep that shit out of here and focus on recruiting?

3/9/2008 10:28:22 PM

whats the latest with lorenzo brown....another lorenzo could be a good omen.

3/14/2008 10:32:00 PM

We need to start collecting money for the John Wall & Lorenzo Brown Fund

3/14/2008 11:22:53 PM

dont get your hopes up about wall

3/15/2008 1:51:19 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR-ZDfUZZP8&feature=related

I don't know if any of you have seen this yet, but this is a video of Julius Mays buzzer beater to win Marion's game in the regional finals of the Indiana State Playoffs. Watch as he catches the inbounds pass and runs the length of the floor in 4.7 seconds for the game winning bucket. If you notice he was also smart enough to try and draw contact and get fouled in case the shot didn't go in. You can see the ref on the baseline raise his hand to signal for a foul.

Afterwards he stated:

"I was taking it down Scott Wood's side because, if his defender switched off, Scott would have been open and I guarantee he would have made the shot," Mays said. "And if he didn't, I knew I could go straight to the hole."

So far I believe Sid in how he mentions so often that Mays has a high bball IQ.

[Edited on March 15, 2008 at 11:20 PM. Reason : ]

3/15/2008 11:18:27 PM

mays and woods win the state championship

3/16/2008 2:40:13 PM

maybe next year state will win the mays/woods championship

(cousin of old spice)

3/16/2008 2:44:09 PM

pretty sure they haven't played the championship game yet

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"NC State signee Julius Mays and Wolfpack verbal Scott Wood are heading to the state finals after Marion defeated South Bend Riley 64-52 in the Class 4A high school semistate championship."

3/16/2008 2:54:02 PM

^^Huh?

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"LAFAYETTE – The Marion Giants will have a shot at their eighth state title next weekend in the Class 4A boys' basketball state finals. The Giants stayed ahead of South Bend Riley for most of Saturday’s Lafayette Jeff Semistate, ending with the 64-52 win. The Giants’ trip to Indianapolis on Saturday will be the school’s first trip to the state finals since its 2000 win. Marion will face Brownsburg (winner of the southern semistate) in the night game. Start time will be approximately 8 p.m. Read more on this story in Sunday’s edition and in the coming days' Chronicle-Tribunes."

http://www.chronicle-tribune.com/articles/2008/03/16/news/doc47dc457aedc3d828989567.txt

3/16/2008 3:04:45 PM

sorry i was confused...
NC State signee Julius Mays and Wolfpack verbal Scott Wood are heading to the state finals after Marion defeated South Bend Riley 64-52 in the Class 4A high school semistate championship.

the semistate championship got me confused

3/16/2008 4:39:20 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky7Whwl6DnE

gives me chills

[Edited on March 16, 2008 at 5:00 PM. Reason : ]

3/16/2008 4:59:54 PM

pretty good

3/17/2008 2:10:08 PM

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"Marion Loses a Heartbreaker, 40-39 Marion thought they had the game won, but Brownsburg High hit a miracle shot at the buzzer to win the Indiana Class 4A state championship 40-39 at Conseco Fieldhouse. Marion led for much of the contest, but a late flurry by Brownsburg tied the game at 28 entering the fourth quarter before Brownsburg used a 7-1 spurt to take a 35-29 advantage with just over four minutes remaining. After Lamar Jackson hit a layup for Marion, Julius Mays took over. The NC State signee converted a three-point play to bring the Giants within one point at 35-34. Brownsburg answered with a basket, and Mays came right back and hit another floater to bring the Giants back within one at 37-36. After getting a defensive stop, Mays appeared to give Marion a 38-37 lead with another floater in the lane with 1:05 remaining, but he banged into Brownsburg center Julian Mavunga on the play and was called for a charge, negating the basket. The call gave Brownsburg back the ball with a lead, and Marion eventually fouled with just under 30 seconds left. J.D. Cosby hit one-of-two free throws, and Brownsburg held a 38-36 advantage. Mays patiently walked the ball up the floor, and then with eight seconds left he attacked the basket from the top of the key and drew two defenders, leaving junior Scott Wood open behind the 3-point line. At that point, Wood, a NC State commitment, had missed all seven of his field goal attempts, but this time he connected on a deep 3-pointer with 2.1 seconds remaining to give the Giants a 39-38 advantage and apparently the victory. However, the game wasn't over. After both teams used a total of four timeouts, Brownsburg's Austin Fish inbounded three-quarter court. The Bulldogs threw a long pass under the basket to Mavunga, but the ball was batted down. Brownsburg's Gordon Hayward picked up the loose ball and hit a short layup at the buzzer, giving his team a 40-39 victory and the first boys basketball state title in school history. Mays was outstanding for Marion. He hit big shot after big shot for his team and made countless plays down the stretch. He totaled a game-high 21 points and five rebounds in his final game for Marion. On the night, Mays hit 7-of-9 shots from the field, 7-of-9 from the free throw line, and his only missed shots were two 3-pointers. Wood, just a junior, hit 1-of-8 shots for three points. The 6-foot-6 wing struggled with his shot all night, but he did grabbed seven boards for the Giants. Mavunga, who has signed with Miami (OH), led Brownsburg with 17 points. Hayward, a Butler signee, added 10, all in the second half as Mays did a good job of checking the 6-foot-8 guard on the defensive end. Marion finished the season with a 24-5 record. "

[Edited on March 23, 2008 at 7:21 PM. Reason : http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/2/739880.html]

3/23/2008 7:21:33 PM

i watched that live, very disappointing.

3/23/2008 7:38:16 PM

During the Davidson game, Billy Packer called attention to our PG situation, saying (and I'm paraphrasing here) "if NC State didn't have a crew of assclowns handling the ball, they'd be a tournament team."

John Wall, were you listening?

3/23/2008 7:50:03 PM

^How did Mays look? Capable of playing PG?

3/23/2008 7:50:40 PM

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"Marion Loses a Heartbreaker"

Thats some NC State shit

3/23/2008 7:53:02 PM

^^i think he will see some time at point here

he mainly plays the 2 for his HS team because they have someone semi decent to play point and they need mays to be the 2 guard

3/23/2008 7:56:04 PM

he was better looking than i expected he'd be, but i don't think he's going to come in and make us awesome at the point.

3/23/2008 8:07:53 PM

^x5 Billy Packer also was talking about Chris Wright and how he was committed to State when Sendek was here. He said that he liked Lowe but he ultimately chose to stay close to home. He talked about what could have been for Wright and State had he come here. The fact that he would get a ton of playing time b/c PG was the main weakness for State this year.


"What might have been" and "That's some NC State shit" describe NC State's athletics history.

3/23/2008 10:49:23 PM

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""What might have been" and "That's some NC State shit" describe NC State's athletics history."

Sigh....Pete Maravich and Michael Jordan. Man what a difference either would have made.

3/24/2008 1:03:26 AM

if MJ went to state he probably woulda blown out his ACL his freshman year and never played again...that woulda been some nc state shit right there

3/24/2008 5:41:25 AM

^ Dean would have had us put on probation for about a decade...


And Mays isn't going to be our answer at PG.

He's a combo guard.

[Edited on March 24, 2008 at 7:38 AM. Reason : ]

3/24/2008 7:37:58 AM

Well Atsur was basically a combo-guard and he did fairly well here for us at point. But I think Degand and Javi will be enough at the point to keep us above water, it'll be up to the rest of the team to step it up.

3/24/2008 9:13:39 AM

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"Sigh....Pete Maravich and Michael Jordan. Man what a difference either would have made. "

Or a non cocaine addicted David Thompson.


My father-in-law was at State in the early 70s... He remembers his roommate coming in the dorm and exploding in the room "Dude, you have to come see, there's a guy at the gym that is blocking Tommy Burleson's shots!"

3/24/2008 9:23:05 AM

Why was Bill Walton in the gym?

3/24/2008 9:38:17 AM