It’s the way Fred can feel superior to others

1/10/2026 11:26:57 PM

Lets make it a little less hostile in here

1/10/2026 11:28:30 PM

[Edited on January 10, 2026 at 11:29 PM. Reason : i'm a qntm supremacist]

1/10/2026 11:28:49 PM

for the new page:

qntmfred:

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" if i were policing it, you'd be in jail. i'm encouraging you to be your best self and not an emotionally manipulated loser"

very cool and normal for you to call someone who is outraged by the killing of an innocent woman an emotionally manipulated loser

1/10/2026 11:30:48 PM

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"Ryan's words not mine"

[Edited on January 10, 2026 at 11:31 PM. Reason : so don't be your best self. i'll quit caring about the well being of your soul]

1/10/2026 11:31:23 PM

that dude is talking about bot farms posting misinformation

I posted a verified video from the NYT and the footage from the killers phone. do you think that footage was created from bot farms?

1/10/2026 11:33:26 PM

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"When something violent and emotionally charged happens, the real fight starts afterwards online. That fight isn't about justice or truth or even the victim. It's about who can make you angrier faster in order to cause conflict, sway your opinion, or make money. This doesn't mean your anger about this incident isn't real. It means someone, most likely our adversaries are trying to aim it at you."

1/10/2026 11:37:24 PM

that quote means nothing in the context of verified outlets posting raw footage of the killing

do you think that footage has been edited in an effort to make people more outraged?

1/10/2026 11:39:10 PM

not edited. amplified.

1/10/2026 11:40:53 PM

would you prefer the videos never be released?

or the federal government disappearing people with no footage/no outlets reporting?

[Edited on January 10, 2026 at 11:49 PM. Reason : .]

1/10/2026 11:43:21 PM

you continue to miss the point, friend

[Edited on January 10, 2026 at 11:56 PM. Reason : i'd prefer to share the same reality]

1/10/2026 11:55:36 PM

your second link acts as if both interpretations are of equal footing. one of those interpretations is the same as the federal governments.

the interpretation from federal government is that the woman who was killed was a domestic terrorist

do you think that both interpretations are valid? do you think that someone with the username johnny maga is acting in good faith?

[Edited on January 11, 2026 at 12:29 AM. Reason : .]

1/11/2026 12:18:56 AM

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"what happens when "we've had enough?""

I was thinking more in the context of when it becomes impossible to ignore and the disinterested suddenly become interested, spurring collective action on the part of the populace such that Congresspeople become fearful for their re-election (assuming we're still going to have those) and start actually doing their job with some teeth. It's a nice pipe dream.

1/11/2026 8:37:56 AM

Also, guys, the petulant infighting in here lately makes me feel like this:

1/11/2026 8:40:31 AM

same tbh

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"your second link acts as if both interpretations are of equal footing."

where does it do that

[Edited on January 11, 2026 at 9:09 AM. Reason : missing the point STILL]

1/11/2026 9:07:47 AM

by posting a tweet of someone obviously tweeting in bad faith/a reality that doesn’t exist

there is no reason to both-sides this

1/11/2026 11:18:31 AM

is the video from further down the street that shows him bounce off the corner of the car fake?

1/11/2026 12:12:48 PM

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"that quote means nothing in the context of verified outlets posting raw footage of the killing"

Think about it like this. Someone posts the video of Iryna, the girl on the metro in Charlotte killed last year. In her terrified state with her neck sliced open by a homeless psychotic black assailant.

The people consuming it are rightly angry and pissed off. Some people are pissed at the city for being too lenient and letting out violent psychopaths, and some would probably draw a lynch mob and start racially killing.

Do you still think there is no place for context and taking a breather when some algorithm or powerful agency puts something in front of your screen to manipulate and influence you?

If you think a raw video makes it so your critical thinking can shut off you need to just go outside and meditate for a few years, then maybe pick up "Public Opinion", "Propaganda", and "Amusing Ourselves to Death". As Q says, critical thinking needs to be turned to 11, not to 0.

1/11/2026 1:34:11 PM

Tapper did an actual good job questioning noem

https://youtu.be/qI1WqJd12T0

1/11/2026 2:12:13 PM

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"Lets make it a little less hostile in here"

feeling like vintage wolf web

1/11/2026 2:55:55 PM

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"If you think a raw video makes it so your critical thinking can shut off you need to just go outside and meditate for a few years, then maybe pick up "Public Opinion", "Propaganda", and "Amusing Ourselves to Death". As Q says, critical thinking needs to be turned to 11, not to 0."

you admitted to frequenting 4chan to watch videos, my guy

there is no amount of posting from you that will cause people to reject the evidence of their eyes and ears

1/11/2026 8:25:25 PM

https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2010472584056647958/mediaViewer?currentTweet=2010472584056647958¤tTweetUser=DHSgov

big fan of not being on the same side as these insane liars

1/11/2026 9:06:33 PM

https://bsky.app/profile/thebulwark.com/post/3mc6xrnkdsh2x

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" Q: "Do you believe that deadly force was necessary?" Trump: "It was highly disrespectful of law enforcement. The woman and her friend were highly disrespectful of law enforcement…Law enforcement should not be in a position where they have to put up with this stuff.""

1/11/2026 9:59:34 PM

Consoler-in-Chief!

Might up there with Reagan's Challenger comments.

1/12/2026 12:54:16 AM

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"you admitted to frequenting 4chan to watch videos, my guy there is no amount of posting from you that will cause people to reject the evidence of their eyes and ears"

'you use a site I don't like, therefore your point about critical thinking is wrong.' That's not a counterargument.

"Amusing Ourselves to Death" uses television as a backdrop to explain media creates an illusion of unmediated reality that makes people think they're informed when they're actually just entertained. You're demonstrating this in real time by treating 'I saw a video' as a trump card. Pun intended.

You've got the media literacy of someone who thinks wrestling is real because you saw the punches land on camera.

[Edited on January 12, 2026 at 6:49 AM. Reason : a]

1/12/2026 6:48:02 AM

^ *RIGHT up there. . .

1/12/2026 7:17:06 AM

Ice harassing a Somali citizen

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTYmmRLEptF/?igsh=MXF6c3gzYnV3cDRmeA==

Some Latinos

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTV6zg-kvMt/?igsh=Ympqa3E4am1sYW9q

[Edited on January 12, 2026 at 10:29 AM. Reason : ]

1/12/2026 10:08:02 AM

here’s a fun video that will warm you heart:

https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/s/Q41H0DYvpl

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""Amusing Ourselves to Death" uses television as a backdrop to explain media creates an illusion of unmediated reality that makes people think they're informed when they're actually just entertained. You're demonstrating this in real time by treating 'I saw a video' as a trump card. Pun intended. You've got the media literacy of someone who thinks wrestling is real because you saw the punches land on camera."

I really like it when you cite things under the assumption that nobody else but you knows. I’ve read it, man.

this isn’t the incident for you to attempt to make that point

[Edited on January 12, 2026 at 11:36 AM. Reason : .]

1/12/2026 11:28:35 AM

Minneapolis needs to even the fight and arm up against ICE.

1/12/2026 12:30:40 PM

^that's what they want.

1/12/2026 1:12:10 PM

https://www.forever-wars.com/either-ice-is-abolished-or-it-will-kill-many-more-renee-goods/

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" Either ICE Is Abolished or It Will Kill Many More Renee Goods Minnesota is just the beginning of ICE's transformation into a right-wing death squad. But it can be the end"

1/12/2026 2:11:51 PM

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"The enlightened centrist logic is simple: if the left does something bad, it's the left's fault if the right does something bad, it's the right's fault if the centrist does something bad, it's the centrist's fault"

And if the Israeli government does something bad, it's the Palestinian's fault.

1/12/2026 2:15:55 PM

^^^

Yep. The home invasions all the asking citizens where they were born or why they have an accent. All designed to create spectacle and enflame people. Trump is saying he wants to stop elections… they’re instigating more violence.

This is an actual encounter. Someone pointed out it could have been in the Left Behind movies:

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" "Sir! This is a warning!" the agent yelled as he punched the man's vehicle window. "Stop f—king following us! You are impeding operations! This is the United States federal government!" "I live over here, " the driver explained. "I got to get to my house." "This is your warning!" the officer exclaimed. "I serve the Lord; go to church," the resident replied. "I will arrest you!" the officer threatened. "Don't make a bad decision," another agent warned. "I serve the Lord," the driver repeated. "Not a draft-dodging coward." "Let these people go to church," the driver added. "Let these people serve the Lord and worship." "You're not going to like the outcome of this, sir," the first officer said. "I guarantee that... Did you not learn from what just happened [when Renee Good was killed]?" "Learn what?" the driver asked. "I serve the Lord, not a draft-dodging coward. I can't believe you'd take orders from a draft dodger." "

https://www.rawstory.com/renee-good-2674874951/

1/12/2026 2:26:35 PM

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"this isn’t the incident for you to attempt to make that point"

Any incident is, especially this one since it tends to inflame both sides in opposite directions. It's the blue dress/green dress incident. "If you see it it's for you." The decision to air this incident and not 10,000s of other tragedies they could pick in a given day. The algorithm pumping this one up because of engagement is another reason.

You put some kind of special status for your rage bait over the right's rage bait. It's all fucking trash, whether it's immigrants killing and raping someone or some overzealous ICE officer shooting a deadbeat mom for obstructing traffic.

There are hundreds of questions to ask and you don't seem to ask any beyond whatever people say on bluesky.


Above:

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"do you think that footage has been edited in an effort to make people more outraged?"

Of course it's edited, at a minimum for length, there are multiple camera angles, plus whatever context is put around it. "Mother of 2". "ANTI-ICE Domestic Terrorist".

1/12/2026 3:41:02 PM

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"or some overzealous ICE officer shooting a deadbeat mom for obstructing traffic."

always great when dipshits who act like they know it all/are the ultimate truth teller destroy that facade with just a few words

you’re not above any of it. you’re a right wing chud who leaps at any opportunity to be a bootlicker

1/12/2026 3:57:23 PM

To be fair, you give the impression that you feel like anyone who doesn’t live up to your standards of what’s right (no pun intended) is a MAGA bootlicker.

Take me for example - I guarantee you that you and I have more in common politically than you think. I’d say we probably agree on about 70-80% of the issues out there. But one of those issues we disagree upon is the whole trans thing. And I don’t think you can get past that, and because of that one issue, you consider me a bootlicker. Maybe I’m wrong.

You lose support when it’s 100% or nothing.

1/12/2026 4:25:14 PM

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"The decision to air this incident and not 10,000s of other tragedies they could pick in a given day"

Congratulations you've achieved peak Whataboutism

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"It's all fucking trash, whether it's immigrants killing and raping someone or some overzealous ICE officer shooting a deadbeat mom for obstructing traffic."

1 I simply cannot believe you do not see the difference and 2 I feel like just a couple months ago you were criticizing some folks on the left speaking ill of the dead

1/12/2026 4:28:44 PM

Yes, he's a joke, best to just treat him that way and not engage

[Edited on January 12, 2026 at 4:38 PM. Reason : and he's not the only one]

1/12/2026 4:37:53 PM

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" To be fair, you give the impression that you feel like anyone who doesn’t live up to your standards of what’s right (no pun intended) is a MAGA bootlicker. Take me for example - I guarantee you that you and I have more in common politically than you think. I’d say we probably agree on about 70-80% of the issues out there. But one of those issues we disagree upon is the whole trans thing. And I don’t think you can get past that, and because of that one issue, you consider me a bootlicker. Maybe I’m wrong. You lose support when it’s 100% or nothing."

you’re wrong with almost all of it

“the whole trans thing” is one of my most libertarian beliefs. it really is that simple.

[Edited on January 12, 2026 at 4:49 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2026 4:48:26 PM

Almost all of what?

1/12/2026 5:14:13 PM

Well, things are only going to get worse over the next couple years. Makes sense that things would get worse here too.

Lots of stories right now about "two opposed Americas..." its been very concerning looking at the comments and comparing the venom to post-Charlie Kirk. I think recently we've become too accustomed to saying these people are "fringe" or "super minority."

Both sides are gaining numbers and momentum fast.

1/12/2026 5:25:00 PM

^^ everything I quoted

I don’t think either you or anyone I disagree with is a bootlicker

1/12/2026 5:32:14 PM

^4 "the whole trans thing" is fundamentally a libertarian issue, I agree

if you don't own your own body then you own nothing - there is no private property without bodily autonomy

1/12/2026 6:07:07 PM

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" It's the blue dress/green dress incident"

It’s not though

MAGA is asserting an alternative reality where an officer was attacked by a vicious domestic terrorist (and Somalis eat cats and dogs, and many other lies). The more the executive branch employees are compelled to accept this alternative reality, the more willing they will be to commit atrocities, going to get harder to unwind. In years past leaders would be contrite, the shooter would have been suspended pending an investigation, etc, lots of normal democratic stuff, none happening now. Theyre actively defending a murderer to further a broader white supremacist policy slate.

And most Americans are against all this in latest polling, so it’s not really 2 sides, but America against a fringe ideology that has used propaganda to seize control.

1/12/2026 6:27:08 PM

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"It’s not though MAGA is asserting an alternative reality where an officer was attacked by a vicious domestic terrorist "

You can show the video, like the one TGL first posted of the cell phone video and you get two separate reactions down the middle. The blue green/gold dress phenomenon is that two people see and perceive reality differently.

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"And most Americans are against all this in latest polling, so it’s not really 2 sides, but America against a fringe ideology that has used propaganda to seize control."

Yeah, the fact Trump has used a lot of political capital to deport grandmas making tortillas is beyond me. If they get trounced in the mid-terms we will know why.

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"1 I simply cannot believe you do not see the difference and 2 I feel like just a couple months ago you were criticizing some folks on the left speaking ill of the dead"

I think it's awful to speak ill of Good as well. Also, I never assigned a moral weight to either instance nor do I think they are necessarily equivalent. The point is just that stories in the media are selected both by people and by software designed to promote engagement. The field of possible stories is infininite yet a subset is ultimately selected to paint a narrative.

1/12/2026 6:40:07 PM

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"never assigned a moral weight"

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"deadbeat mom"

FOH

1/12/2026 8:03:36 PM

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"The author is demonstrating how each side’s rage bait uses loaded language - the right frames immigrants as “killers and rapists” while the left frames ICE as “overzealous,” and conversely each side minimizes their own villain’s victims. Under this reading, “deadbeat mom” is the author showing how right-wing media would frame the victim to minimize sympathy, just as “overzealous” minimizes the officer’s culpability."

FFS. My clarity did blow goats there, I can see the alternate reading

1/12/2026 8:30:57 PM

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" I think it's awful to speak ill of Good as well. Also, I never assigned a moral weight to either instance nor do I think they are necessarily equivalent. The point is just that stories in the media are selected both by people and by software designed to promote engagement. The field of possible stories is infininite yet a subset is ultimately selected to paint a narrative. "

How is this not a trite observation in the context of tww? I probably see hundreds of videos and skeets and posts on Instagram and Facebook and Bluesky of various levels of absurdity and validity. I’m assuming this is the case for all of you… but we’re not just blindly reposting them all here.

If I’m posting something here and I assume the same of others unless they claim otherwise, I’ve already evaluated where it slots in to the algorithm and if I think it genuinely reflects the true broader trends.

Seems clear given a huge range of evidence, ICE is a rogue agency now rampantly violating laws to harass non-white people and their white allies. Doesn’t make sense to discuss the meta on if this is an algoboosted belief or not, unless you genuinely believe that to be the case. But I don’t see any evidence it is.

1/12/2026 8:55:26 PM

^ you had TGL above arguing that you don't need broader context or to analyze or objectively look at a story if their is video. If you've analyzed it then bring something more sensible than whatever slop shows up on a feed.

Anytime you have law enforcement presence bad shit is going to happen. More frequently if you have people screaming at them with bull horns and surrounding their vehicles.

I believe it's an algoboosted belief that is daily reified into physical world.

[Edited on January 12, 2026 at 9:11 PM. Reason : A]

1/12/2026 9:10:15 PM

set em up

1/13/2026 10:33:08 AM