Check this out, you group of dumbasses:

Terrorists = people who cause terror. This is not strictly limited to Arabs. There are people over in Ireland killing other people because of stupid differences in religion. Every time they set off a carbomb in London, that's fucking terrorism. Every time some little WHITE motherfucker steals his Daddy's gun and takes it to school and shoots up his schoolmates, that's terrorism. Every time in the 50s and 60s when a group of KKK members strung up a black person simply for being black was terrorism.

Stop singling this one group out. I can stand up and give you a list of terrorist events a hundred times longer than all the things that any Arabs have done.

Trap, out of all the people speaking on this thread, I respect you the most. You haven't let your emotions get in the way of what you have to say, and that takes a lot of fucking heart. Take care of yourself in the near future man, I'd hate to see anything happen to you because of these ignorant ass rednecks who know exactly jack shit about the world outside of the US.

9/12/2001 12:55:29 AM

hey, I wholeheartedly agree with kiljadn.

9/12/2001 12:57:05 AM

I'll say this and then that's all. We need to punish those responsible for this. Be they Arab, Irish, Swahili, Taiwanese, Brazilian, or little green men from Mars. I even think those people celebrating and dancing in the streets should be dealt with.

EDIT<-- OR WHITE.

EVERYBODY else, who were not involved with this in any way, should be left the fuck alone.

That is all.

J

[Edited on September 12, 2001 at 12:59 AM. Reason : Whitey]

9/12/2001 12:58:29 AM

kiljadn: no one's talking about the fucking IRA or whatever. That stuff doesn't spill over into America. What I am saying (and what I think others are saying, but not as clearly) is that American-targeted terrorism is, in most part, initiated by Arabs. Period. It's history man, read up on it.

9/12/2001 12:58:56 AM

true true, kil, can't be pointing fingers just yet

9/12/2001 12:59:12 AM

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"A lot of terrorist attacks on the US may be linked to arab nations. But look at all the acts of terrorism all around the world. The IRA commits heinous acts of terrorism all the time."

Have they committed acts of terrorism against the USA? No. they have not. Do they hate us? No, they do not.

9/12/2001 1:00:22 AM

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"I even think those people celebrating and dancing in the streets should be dealt with. EVERYBODY else, who were not involved with this in any way, should be left the fuck alone."

you are contradicting yourself here. how exactly do you get involved with this? if you condone and celebrate what happened, are you involved? you didn't do it, you didn't finance it, so how are you involved?

do westart killing people for their beliefs also?

9/12/2001 1:01:21 AM

xienze I'm the last person you want to get into a historical debate with. I know that Arabs have targetted the US as a whole in the past. What I'm saying is that YOU don't have the right to claim a "holier-than-thou" attitude when you're overlooking the astronomically high number of terrorist attacks on other Americans carried out by OTHER AMERICANS.

9/12/2001 1:02:13 AM

And why haven't they committed acts of terrorism against the US? Cause we basically haven't done anything to them.


But that doesn't mean they aren't terrorists. Great Britain sees an attack on American soil as an attack on them. Should the US consider the IRA to be our enemy since they are constantly bombing London?

9/12/2001 1:02:37 AM

Well, I defenitely don't mean kill 'em. But I think it's fucked up they derive pleasure from it. It's hard to deal with emotions when you see people celebrating the deaths of up to 50,000 people at once...

J

9/12/2001 1:02:48 AM

let us not argue over points and counterpoints...enough problems have been caused today because of anger and hate...put aside differences..let us not argue over why? but agree to help together, join together, and fight back together, on the same side, for the same team...we are all on the same team, remember?

9/12/2001 1:02:55 AM

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"Trap, out of all the people speaking on this thread, I respect you the most. You haven't let your emotions get in the way of what you have to say, and that takes a lot of fucking heart. Take care of yourself in the near future man, I'd hate to see anything happen to you because of these ignorant ass rednecks who know exactly jack shit about the world outside of the US."

Thank you, kiljadn. You are a good man. I shall lay low and manitain a low profile, thank you again.

9/12/2001 1:03:28 AM

trap, come on! You're responding to everyone besides me! I feel so left out .

9/12/2001 1:04:44 AM

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"Well, I defenitely don't mean kill 'em. But I think it's fucked up they derive pleasure from it. It's hard to deal with emotions when you see people celebrating the deaths of up to 50,000 people at once..."

so, how do we DEAL with them? demolish their houses, torture them, kidnap their children?

9/12/2001 1:05:00 AM

like me right, ignorant ass rednecks huh huh huh

9/12/2001 1:05:37 AM

I just don't know. Let em do what they're gonna do I suppose. Still pisses me off...

J

9/12/2001 1:05:48 AM

You know if I were an Arab, even if I hated the US and cursed the day it came to be, I still don't think I would be humanly able to celebrate the deaths of 50,000 innocent people attacked without provocation. That's inhuman.

J

9/12/2001 1:07:31 AM

No problem, trappy. There aren't that many intellectuals on the board, and it'd be a shame for there to be any less.

9/12/2001 1:08:58 AM

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"Trap, out of all the people speaking on this thread, I respect you the most. You haven't let your emotions get in the way of what you have to say, and that takes a lot of fucking heart. "

how do you come to this theory?

9/12/2001 1:09:54 AM

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"so, how do we DEAL with them? demolish their houses, torture them, kidnap their children?"

Well, they dealt with us by crashing 4 planes on US soil killing tens of thousands of civilians.
Call me a dumbass for being patriotic, but if you fuck with the US, you pay .....
Funny how they slaughter tens of thousands of US civilans and celebrate, but if during one of our attacks on a
military installation a piece of shrapnel flies off and kills an old man or a women, they call us barbarians,
scum, monsters, what have you.....

They can kill our civilains and its ok.....yet its wrong for us to kill thiers?
And you think their beliefs are NOT fucked up?

(ps: not an attack on religio

[Edited on September 12, 2001 at 1:11 AM. Reason : ]

9/12/2001 1:10:52 AM

OK, xienze, here are the facts. the statements below are very logical and exact in nature, and anything not mentioned cannot be implied:

- Not all terrorists are Arabs
- Not all Arabs are terrorists
- Most terrorists are NOT Arabs
- Most Arabs are NOT terrorists
- Majority (> 50%) of FOREIGN terrorists who have struck the US ARE Arabs, and there is a good reason for that
- As kiljadn said, if you include terrorism by Americans against Americans, most terrorist (agaist US) actions are NOT committed by Arabs.

9/12/2001 1:11:12 AM

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"- Majority (> 50%) of FOREIGN terrorists who have struck the US ARE Arabs, and there is a good reason for that"

The obvious question here is what are the "good" reasons for that?

J

9/12/2001 1:12:43 AM

Man, you're really reaching for something when you try and use a kid shooting a few people at his high school to compare to an event like this.

9/12/2001 1:13:03 AM

MetalRed, so you want to kill some civilians (who didn't do it), because US civilians were killed? that's 3rd grade mentality, you know "i will spit on his lunch because he laughed when this other dude spit on mine"

9/12/2001 1:13:53 AM

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"Majority (> 50%) of FOREIGN terrorists who have struck the US ARE Arabs, and there is a good reason for that"

The reason is not in debate!
If anything, it only goes to support the notion that Arabs are responsible.

9/12/2001 1:15:17 AM

Well, I was getting at the fact that there aren't any good reasons for that...

J

9/12/2001 1:16:11 AM

school shootings are NOT terrorism, it is Abercrombie Angst.

9/12/2001 1:16:43 AM

ter·ror·ism
n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.




Sounds like the Columbine shootings to me.

9/12/2001 1:18:02 AM

Trap..
Did i say "lets go kill the bastards that laughed at us" ? Please tell me where i said those words.
Since everyone here loves to take things so literally...

I said, how is it ok for them to celebrate the death of 50k american civilains but condemn us when we accidently kill a few of theirs?

9/12/2001 1:18:23 AM

Different cultures, different ideas.

Have any of you guys stopped to consider how many Iraqi children have died needlessly since sanctions were enacted upon their country in 1991? I'm sure you haven't, but the number is well into the tens of thousands. That might explain why the Palestinians were cheering. Islamic solidarity, as such. You kill my brother, I kill yours.

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

I do not, however, wish you guys to think of me as anti-american, because I'm not. I'm just looking at the situation objectively, which may be something that a few of you can't do.

9/12/2001 1:24:19 AM

If Saddam would allow the aid we do allow to get to the people who need it, that would not be an issue. But since he controls everything, his own people are brainwashed. And those who arent are killed, exiled, or flee to the north, or out of the country alltogether.

J

9/12/2001 1:25:50 AM

read my US AND THEM post.

9/12/2001 1:27:48 AM

There IS no aid.

That's one of the major issues. You can't take one of the world's foremost medical systems and then give it meager rations and expect it to function properly. It's just not possible.

9/12/2001 1:28:21 AM

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"OK, xienze, here are the facts. the statements below are very logical and exact in nature, and anything not mentioned cannot be implied: - Not all terrorists are Arabs - Not all Arabs are terrorists - Most terrorists are NOT Arabs - Most Arabs are NOT terrorists - Majority (> 50%) of FOREIGN terrorists who have struck the US ARE Arabs, and there is a good reason for that - As kiljadn said, if you include terrorism by Americans against Americans, most terrorist (agaist US) actions are NOT committed by Arabs."

Well trap, thanks for finally responding to my post. I am utterly shocked that you conceded that fifth point to me (), but then again, I expected that... (BTW, I love that "and there is a good reason..." point... haw haw!)

No need to throw in that sixth point though, I think you just wanted to toss that in to balance out the uncharacteristic statement you made before that .

[Edited on September 12, 2001 at 1:28 AM. Reason : ...]

9/12/2001 1:28:22 AM

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"I'm sure you haven't, but the number is well into the tens of thousands."

Ninja, I appreciate your GENUINE efforts, but let me correct that:

5,000 children EVERY month
2001 - 1991 = 10 years

and the horrifying conclusion is...

120 months x 5,000 = 600,000 children

9/12/2001 1:29:59 AM

Who died because of Saddam. Not because of us.

J

9/12/2001 1:31:31 AM

Sorry Trap, I didn't know the exact figures, but thanks for the correction.

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"Who died because of Saddam. Not because of us. "

Saddam does not kill these children. Our sanctions that prevent economic growth kill these children. Money is crucial, and the Iraqis have no money at all. No money to buy food, no money to buy medical supplies, no money with which to take care of their people. The proper (and MORAL) route would be to allow the Iraqis the money. If Saddam took all the money to build weapons while his people still suffered, then comes revolution. It's common sense.

9/12/2001 1:37:36 AM

so, we have to play mommy and daddy to everyone...

9/12/2001 1:38:26 AM

Did I say that? No. I said that sanctions were bad for the people of Iraq. We are the dominating force on the global economic market. What's sad about that is the fact that we are NOT the dominating force on the global "goddamned common sense" market.

9/12/2001 1:40:27 AM

They've tried revolutions before. Have you seen his palaces? Plural. He built up their military to being the 3rd best in the world. Still a joke but still. It isn't much worse since the sanctions. He saw what the sanctions were doing to his people, and still her resisted the UN inspectors. He continued to fire at planes enforcing the no fly zones that he agreed to under the terms of his surrender.

His stubborness is what has caused his people's suffering. Even those high up officials who have gotten out have admitted this. They all know. Everytime there is a revolution or a coup, Saddam gets through like a cockroach. He won't die.

His people's suffering is on Saddam's hands. It's just easier to blame the US, than one of their own.

J

9/12/2001 1:40:46 AM

George Bush the Elder installed Saddam Hussein.

9/12/2001 1:43:14 AM

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"The obvious question here is what are the "good" reasons for that?"

so you are born one day and then when you are 7 years old, you ask your parents you are from. they tell you you are "X" (say, Palestine). you wonder why you are living in a squalid refugee camp in "Z" (say, Lebanon). your parents tell you that they have been living there for the past 30 years, because some Evil Forces (GB, USA) gave their land and their house (in X) to a group of people (Jews) who were fleeing from Europe.

so, you grow up, with resentment towards GB, USA, and Israel, because you never saw your country, and your brothers and sisters who stayed behind, are being treated like dogs there.

you are 30 years old now, and you have lived in a REFUGEE CAMP your whole life, you haven't seen your country, and you have been living from hand to mouth.

futhermore, you SHALL live in the same refugee camp and die there, just like your grand parents, and you shall never see your homeland.

you realize that most of this possible due to some Great Evil (US), because they are the ones who supply the Apache helicopters and the F-16s, which maim and kill people in your homeland EVERYDAY.

so, you decide, you have had enough, living a life like this, with no future.

what do you do?

the rest is history...

9/12/2001 1:44:46 AM

I see what you're saying, 30th, but you can't hold down an entire country for too long. It's just not possible. Had there been a revolt, I'm sure other arab countries would've helped out. Saddam has been using the US as a scapegoat, but not really, because the sanctions against Iraq are completely unneccessary now. It's been 10 years. Weapons or not, if Saddam had neglected his people they would've revolted. Human survival instincts are some of the strongest.

9/12/2001 1:49:57 AM

That's still not a good reason to kill innocent people.

J

9/12/2001 1:50:10 AM

Hey asshole? I already said that im not arguing their motives, only the fact that they HAVE motives, and no one else does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the reason the Iraquis dont revolt is because Saddam rules much like Stalin did.
Meaning that if you show any sign of rebellion, you, all who are involved, and the extended families of those involved are all executed.
Aint he a nice guy?

[Edited on September 12, 2001 at 1:52 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2001 1:50:52 AM

Kiljadn, I think I agree with you there for the most part. I don't think all the sanctions should be lifted, but food and medecine can't really be used militarily.

J

9/12/2001 1:51:25 AM

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""most terrorists are arabs" the ONLY way this can be verified is if an all-inclusive list of terrorist activities, say, in the last 1,000 years, is drawn up, no matter where the activities took place, and it is found that the majority are arabs. to my knowledge, i have seen no such list by any of the proponents of the assertion yet."

Funny Trap how when you first came to this board you made a stupid ass thread claiming that most blacks were loud. Well well look how the tables have turned, now someone is labeling (generalizing) your group and your getting all upset. Boo hoo hoo what a shame. As you can see what goes around comes the fuck around. Now maybe you can understand why I got mad as shit when you made that thread about blacks months ago and why I honestly don't like you at all. That is all I have to say. And don't have a nice day either.

[Edited on September 12, 2001 at 7:55 AM. Reason : what goes around comes around]

9/12/2001 7:53:48 AM

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"now someone is labeling (generalizing) your group and your getting all upset."

i am sorry to disappoint you, but i am not an arab, neither do i have any ties with or affinity towards arabs.

i just try to agree with reality, that's all, and i still agree with what i said in that "loud blacks" thread months ago, because it is real.

[Edited on September 12, 2001 at 8:15 AM. Reason : ]

9/12/2001 8:11:42 AM

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"I honestly don't like you at all. That is all I have to say. And don't have a nice day either."

THANK YOU, you just made my day

9/12/2001 8:21:09 AM

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"i just try to agree with reality, that's all, and i still agree with what i said in that "loud blacks" thread months ago, because it is real. "

Well, then the reality is Repub18 is right, seeems most of the terrorist are arabs. You wanna make BS generalizations about blacks then I can do the same about others. I pray you'll never ironically need my help in the future. As I've said before if you were dying in the street I wouldn't lend you a helping hand and I'm being 100% serious!!!! And if you think the U.S. is soo bad as you have mentioned in other posts then why don't you just get the fuck out of it and go to Canada. In my eyes anyone who dislikes this country is an enemy and can suffer the same fate as those who did this horrible crime soon will!!!

[Edited on September 12, 2001 at 9:03 AM. Reason : assholes]

9/12/2001 9:02:23 AM