Quote :

"Trump admin defunds fbi, nsa and cia enforcement of extremism, pardons violent extremists and gives them money, and we’re supposed to worry about the left?"

The left are the ones assassinating their opponents like modern Bolsheviks. I'm not even going to count the cheerleading and happy claps for these incidents, even in some cases like with Luigi, on this board. Get on a Reddit thread or Bluesky and you'll see countless justifications of violence. "I bet he was a nazi" "if he wasn't at the rally he wouldn't have died".

Even worse the left routinely eats their own and excommunicates people. I'd be worried just because you can never be too left. What Shibboleth will you violate and end up a target?

I will acknowledge some of them, on both the right and left, fall probably more on the mentally ill side and are a case of "choose the form of your destructor" where the mentally ill person uses whatever the TV screens say as the justification.

Kirk is going to turn out to be more political violence but I'll keep that one off the official list until official motive.

https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/ipepeo/cmv_silence_is_violence_needs_to_be/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Tacoma_immigration_detention_center_attack

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/04/us/luigi-mangione-diary-entries-murder-case

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Capital_Jewish_Museum_shooting

https://nypost.com/2025/06/27/us-news/college-student-accused-of-torching-teslas-is-facing-stiff-federal-prison-sentence/

https://nypost.com/2025/04/07/us-news/trans-nashville-school-shooter-audrey-hale-ranted-about-wanting-to-kill-all-the-white-kids-in-newly-revealed-diary-entries/

https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2020/09/03/vice-plans-to-air-interview-with-oregon-man-confessing-to-killing-at-portland-protest/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Tacoma_immigration_detention_center_attack

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/new-york-mourns-loss-nypd-officers

https://nypost.com/2025/08/28/us-news/minneapolis-school-shooter-robin-westman-confessed-he-was-tired-of-being-trans/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Donald_Trump_in_Florida

https://abc7chicago.com/post/more-than-100-buildings-damaged-at-least-40-destroyed-in-kenosha-unrest/6402998/

https://www.axios.com/2020/09/16/riots-cost-property-damage

Older ones

Quote :

"The [FBI](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation "Federal Bureau of Investigation") and the Metropolitan Police Department investigated jointly "to determine motive/intent and whether a hate crime/terrorism nexus exists." During his FBI interview, Corkins was asked how he chose his target. His response was "Southern Poverty Law lists anti-gay groups. I found them online."Corkins had served as a volunteer at an [LGBT](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT "LGBT") community center.[[33]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Family_Research_Council_attack#cite_note-todaystv-33)[[42]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Family_Research_Council_attack#cite_note-cbsshoot-42) In January 2013, Corkins pleaded guilty to two charges in the [District of Columbia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia "District of Columbia"), possession of a handgun during a violent crime and assault with intent to kill, and interstate transportation of a firearm and ammunition, a federal charge "

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/new-york-mourns-loss-nypd-officers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_baseball_shooting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Berkeley_protests

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Donald_Trump_Las_Vegas_rally_incident


Silence is violence, punch a Nazi etc:

https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/ipepeo/cmv_silence_is_violence_needs_to_be/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Donald_Trump_Chicago_rally_protest

Right ones for fairness

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylann_Roof

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_United_States_mail_bombing_attempts

Including, but they are older than this current modern era, and feel the 2010s and onward is where the focus should be...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence


[Edited on September 11, 2025 at 7:08 AM. Reason : a]

9/11/2025 6:48:05 AM

StTexan - the list is right here:

https://bsky.app/profile/seanfaywolfe.bsky.social/post/3lyjghoau7k2m

9/11/2025 6:49:18 AM

^ I'm sure the quotes are fully fair and representative of context.

TGL shared the list in one of the other threads.

9/11/2025 6:54:43 AM

I know. I'm saying this is the list that should be placed in democratic messaging as a warning.

A few people here and millions elsewhere on social media definitely think these are kill-worthy. I can only imagine what bluesky in general looks like right now.

Edit: and conservatives will celebrate the death of any left wing activist in whatever reprisals are coming. That too will be abhorrent.

[Edited on September 11, 2025 at 7:17 AM. Reason : .]

9/11/2025 7:11:43 AM

https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/802991026822676480

Quote :

"You can tell a lot about a person by how they react when someone dies."

9/11/2025 7:29:43 AM

Governor of Utah comments were worth watching.

9/11/2025 7:43:06 AM

The amount of “he got what was coming to him” out there is staggering. I thought the left was a group of peace and compassion.

He definitely deserved 100% of the heckling he got, just like preacher Gary did back in the day. But in no way should he have been executed for whatever his thoughts were.

I would like to see the context in which he say gay people should be stoned. That’s the kind of stuff that’ll catch headlines when you say it.

9/11/2025 8:43:00 AM

^ I was telling my wife about Gary and how Kirk turned that schtick into a career. And also how in our day I don’t think anyone really took it seriously it was kind of all in good fun but today you die for it.

Then he just had to watch lesbians make out.

[Edited on September 11, 2025 at 8:45 AM. Reason : A]

9/11/2025 8:44:03 AM

People say wild shit on the Internet all the time. I don’t think social media posts of random people saying he deserved to get shot is indicative of anything really.

9/11/2025 10:02:01 AM

^ no but the riots, shootings, and bombings count.

9/11/2025 10:09:05 AM

https://x.com/WSJ/status/1966145565743251922

Quote :

"Breaking: Ammunition engraved with transgender and antifascist ideology was found inside the rifle authorities believe was used in Kirk’s shooting, sources say "

9/11/2025 11:18:27 AM

Quote :

"The amount of “he got what was coming to him” out there is staggering. I thought the left was a group of peace and compassion."

Yes, some people on the internet are awful. But have you ever looked at ANY comment section on Foxnews, or even NPR? There are TONS of awful right-wingers that are constantly spouting violent rhetoric. And I bet they're tame compared to some other right-wing sites that I avoid. I just think it's silly that people are surprised/upset about internet posts, when hate and violent rhetoric are such a common thing on the internet.

9/11/2025 11:33:26 AM

https://bsky.app/profile/drewharwell.com/post/3lykxpuek3s26

Quote :

" All this suggests is that the shooter wants people to believe they're a far-left ideologue. Maybe they are; without more evidence, we don't know. But a far-right "accelerationist" wanting civil war, more hatred, more violence would do the exact same thing."

until they catch the shooter, we have zero idea what their motivation was

there is also zero reason to believe anything anything that the federal government says about this without any actual evidence

9/11/2025 11:34:04 AM

^ You don't have zero idea. Here is a decent model:

5/25 vs 14/25 and you could correct a bit by the nature of the attack (a targeted shooting).

More left attacks, but they are more targeted and generally have resulted in less casualties. The El Paso shooting and Charlotteville skew it worse for the right incidents. Ok I'm going to go do something more productive.

================================================================================
SUMMARY STATISTICS
================================================================================

Incident Count by Political Leaning:
Political_Leaning
Left 14
Unconfirmed 6
Right 5
Name: count, dtype: int64

Total Fatalities by Political Leaning:
Political_Leaning
Left 14.0
Right 39.0
Unconfirmed 10.0
Name: Fatalities, dtype: float64

Total Injuries by Political Leaning:
Political_Leaning
Left 12.0
Right 71.0
Unconfirmed 19.0
Name: Injuries, dtype: float64

[Edited on September 11, 2025 at 11:49 AM. Reason : a]

9/11/2025 11:46:26 AM

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/09/11/us/charlie-kirk-shooting-news?unlocked_article_code=1.lE8.9Cjl.ouoryQKBPUs7&smid=url-share&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Quote :

" According to a preliminary internal report circulated inside the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, federal and local officials recovered ammunition with the rifle that appeared to be engraved with statements “expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology.” But a senior law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the investigation cautioned that report had not been verified by A.T.F. analysts, did not match other summaries of the evidence, and might turn out to have been misread or misinterpreted. In fast-moving investigations, such status reports are not made public because they often contain a mixture of accurate and inaccurate information."

9/11/2025 12:42:55 PM

Quote :

"Yes, some people on the internet are awful. But have you ever looked at ANY comment section on Foxnews, or even NPR? There are TONS of awful right-wingers that are constantly spouting violent rhetoric. And I bet they're tame compared to some other right-wing sites that I avoid. I just think it's silly that people are surprised/upset about internet posts, when hate and violent rhetoric are such a common thing on the internet."

I think people expect that sort of behavior from the far right. As I said, the left is supposed to be peaceful and compassionate. I don’t disagree that there are many awful people on the right. But perhaps I expected more from the other side?

Sucks all the way around

[Edited on September 11, 2025 at 2:02 PM. Reason : ;lkhj]

9/11/2025 1:52:38 PM

https://slate.com/technology/2025/09/charlie-kirk-shooting-death-bluesky-reaction.html#

Quote :

"No, Bluesky Isn’t Celebrating the Death of Charlie Kirk Despite what right-wing influencers want you to believe, liberals actually hate political violence."

9/11/2025 1:55:10 PM

^Bluesky may not be, but the FB comments on all the articles are quite vitriolic.

9/11/2025 2:03:18 PM

The same people who were giddy about seeing immigrants go to "Alligator Alcatraz" are now upset that some people aren't devastated by yesterday's tragedy

9/11/2025 2:09:51 PM

I mean are you just making stuff up?

https://bsky.app/profile/brooooit.bsky.social/post/3lyjbl4fmd226

Quote :

" I'm very happy today, but also, the amount of time that happened between Luigi and today cannot be how much time passes between today and, ohh let's say, christopher rufo. As a hypothetical. Or michael knowles. Or nick fuentes. Or matt walsh. Or ben shapiro. Or jesse waters. Or dennis prager."

https://bsky.app/profile/seriesjunkie.bsky.social/post/3lyj2fr43vc23

https://bsky.app/profile/ghawinriver.bsky.social/post/3lyj4ak2jne26


[Edited on September 11, 2025 at 2:19 PM. Reason : a]

9/11/2025 2:16:33 PM

Quote :

""

college football podcaster alex kirshner wants you to know that it's a lie to claim that 100.0% of posts on bluesky celebrate murder

[Edited on September 11, 2025 at 2:26 PM. Reason : apparently the same is true for 100.0% of the imgur community ]

9/11/2025 2:20:29 PM

A higher percentage of an extremely small pool comparatively. Facebook has the most, stands to reason they'd have lowest percentage...at least not as black and white as that graph suggests. And not really defending bluesky either

9/11/2025 2:24:43 PM

just b/c extremists tend to congregate in smaller tight knit echo chambers doesn't excuse the fact that they are extremists

Quote :

"I think people expect that sort of behavior from the far right. As I said, the left is supposed to be peaceful and compassionate. I don’t disagree that there are many awful people on the right. But perhaps I expected more from the other side? Sucks all the way around"

Quote :

"One has "always been bad", and one we are supposed to believe is good. That's why you hear more about one."

[Edited on September 11, 2025 at 2:31 PM. Reason : sounds familiar]

9/11/2025 2:29:15 PM

I'm not sure I get why you posted this one
https://bsky.app/profile/ghawinriver.bsky.social/post/3lyj4ak2jne26

[Edited on September 11, 2025 at 2:56 PM. Reason : ^^^^]

9/11/2025 2:56:31 PM

It’s ok to punch and kill nazis. All Trump supporters are nazi. Killing all trump supporters is justified.

9/11/2025 3:12:03 PM

But that's not what that says. I read the whole thing and that feels like a big jump?

9/11/2025 3:14:17 PM

Quote :

"Bluesky may not be, but the FB comments on all the articles are quite vitriolic."

you mean the site that’s been totally overrun by AI slop/bots?

9/11/2025 3:15:08 PM

^^ yeah I think after reading the whole thread that’s not what he was getting at. I saw it retweeted elsewhere that made me think that was the sentiment.

I looked for under 60 seconds on the Kirk trending to find those three.

[Edited on September 11, 2025 at 3:21 PM. Reason : A]

9/11/2025 3:21:12 PM

not one person has made the claim that there is a platform that has zero people being assholes/celebrating a death

9/11/2025 3:26:07 PM

^^gotcha thanks

Personally I follow a bunch of left folks an bsky and haven't seen any celebration but I don't use trending on any social platform that doesn't push it. Defeats the purpose of following folks if you're just gonna wad into the cesspool. I've seen some borderline stuff on Twitter. Anecdotal of course.

9/11/2025 3:29:49 PM

famous lefty Richard Hanania

9/11/2025 3:56:40 PM

Quote :

"you mean the site that’s been totally overrun by AI slop/bots?"

*foreign psyops

i've been hoping to bump an existing thread to discuss this, but I can't find a suitable thread yet.

[Edited on September 11, 2025 at 4:11 PM. Reason : cambridge analytica was a long time ago]

[Edited on September 11, 2025 at 4:17 PM. Reason : aka we're pretty pathetic]

9/11/2025 4:10:42 PM

charliesmurderers.com is where they dox people who have said insensitive things about his death on social media. I doubt the site('s creators and supporters) were as critical in the past of making light of other people's deaths.

9/11/2025 5:12:53 PM

That’s the cool thing about the world. Everyone has different interest and levels of care. Sometimes for no reason at all.

9/11/2025 5:28:08 PM

https://bsky.app/profile/adamscochran.bsky.social/post/3lylxb2o7dc2a

Quote :

" In case you were wondering why the incorrect rumor of “trans activist” and “fascist symbols” on ammo started, it’s because arrows and initials are common ways manufacturers stamp ammo. Including “TRN” the ironsight and a direction broad arrow:"

Quote :

" This is something that every qualified officer in the FBI and ATF is aware of. But when we put podcasters in control and replace our career officials in departmental purges, we get underqualified idiots!"

9/11/2025 11:01:44 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/liberalgunowners/comments/1nes3zg/trn_bullet_manufacture_lol_its_so_dumb/

This is an interesting discussion to follow up on the ammo markings.

9/12/2025 9:21:09 AM

^^ turns out that person was wrong, but not as wrong as the Wall Street Journal

9/12/2025 11:22:19 AM

Quote :

"Right ones for fairness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylann_Roof https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_United_States_mail_bombing_attempts Including, but they are older than this current modern era, and feel the 2010s and onward is where the focus should be... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence "

I notice that you, like the Republicans and most of the media, have conveniently forgotten Melissa and Mark Hortman.

Quote :

"Breaking: Ammunition engraved with transgender and antifascist ideology was found inside the rifle authorities believe was used in Kirk’s shooting, sources say"

Another example of the administration and its lackeys in right-leaning media trying to get liberals and trans people killed. Of course this turned out to have no basis in fact. Zero. None. The engravings were all typical online shooting fan weirdo bullshit.

Quote :

"No, Bluesky Isn’t Celebrating the Death of Charlie Kirk"

I'm on Bluesky quite a lot. I follow a lot of far-lefty people on Bluesky. The posts I have seen are 60% hand-wringing about how to react appropriately, 35% people quoting Kirk's own words, and 5% celebrating.

I also hear on Twitter they're calling him "Charlie Squirt," and I did see a fun freestyle rap about it, also from twitter.

9/14/2025 2:38:57 PM

Quote :

"Another example of the administration and its lackeys in right-leaning media trying to get liberals and trans people killed. Of course this turned out to have no basis in fact. Zero. None. The engravings were all typical online shooting fan weirdo bullshit."

Who's going to stick around to hear the quiet corrections or more likely just the dead silence acting like it never happened while we're already on the warpath?

9/14/2025 3:01:09 PM

^^ oversight. I found an even worse right one, the El Paso Walmart one.

If you don’t count property damage incidents of the left, most of the right incidents post 2010 seem to target indiscriminately. The ones on the left involving assassination tend to be targeted. Like Trump, Luigi, Kirk.

I did not correct for nutters which would remove incidents on both sides. Seems to generally be getting worse and doomsday clock moving closer. I actually thought it had quieted down a bit.

9/14/2025 4:36:33 PM

Quote :

"The ones on the left involving assassination tend to be targeted. Like Trump, Luigi, Kirk."

Trump's would-be assassin in Butler PA wasn't right or left, he was just crazy. And we don't know about Kirk's shooter yet. And Luigi's wasn't really political.

9/14/2025 5:03:22 PM

^ Trump had two recently, the second was. Luigi you crazy. Just the outcry for it even here on TWW the left was highly celebratory. If you take out crazies you remove people like Roof and the guy that shot the Trump supporter at a protest in 2020 that are basically just incels using whatever excuse.

There were others in the list above that were targeted.

9/14/2025 5:18:58 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/14/charlie-kirk-death-us-violence

Quote :

"The plots and attacks categorized as terrorism this year fell across ideologies: 32 had some nexus to antisemitism; 20 targeted entities carrying out immigration enforcement; 13 targeted peaceful protests of the administration; 22 targeted the LGBTQ+ community; seven targeted Muslims; and six targeted people believed to be immigrants. Of those targeting lawmakers, 21 plots and attacks targeted Republicans, and 10 targeted Democrats. If you zoom out over time, political violence is more commonly done by the far right, Baumgartner said, but today’s violent actors are “much more ideologically diffuse, and they don’t strictly adhere to a single ideology”."

And another I forgot:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Pennsylvania_Governor's_Residence_arson

9/15/2025 7:09:55 AM

You don't have to remove crazies, just people with no coherent political ideology that can place them on a right/left scale. Almost all of these guys are nuts, but some of them are nuts with a specific political agenda.

Meanwhile, the implication that most political violence comes from the left is, both predictably and provably, wrong.

Nonpartisan Center for Strategic International Studies: The right does it more.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states#:~:text=This%20analysis%20makes%20several%20arguments,violence%20during%20the%20election%20period.

Famously leftist Cato Institute: The right does it more.

https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states

Etc., etc.

[Edited on September 15, 2025 at 7:12 AM. Reason : the plural of "anecdote" is not "data"]

9/15/2025 7:12:30 AM

Quote :

"Meanwhile, the implication that most political violence comes from the left is, both predictably and provably, wrong. Famously leftist Cato Institute: The right does it more. "

The mood over all is horrid. A dude with a 4 year old and 1 year old bled out through the neck in public and instead of horror the reaction is, "let me find these out of context quotes to show how he deserved it." On the right, a few lesser known but still large, commentators are saying, "see they want to kill you, better do something before it's you."

These types of disruptions and attacks were common place during the first Trump campaign, and I think this one is the first:
https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/nation-now/protesters-attack-trump-supporters-outside-san-jose-rally/67-229894888

The attacks on Trump's supporters at his own rallies early on started this cycle of violence. When both groups of people talk like the other side is sub-human it's hard to find common ground. There is always some excuse as to why it can't be resolved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFUc_5OMB5s

[Edited on September 15, 2025 at 7:30 AM. Reason : When the data and anecdotes disagree, the anecdotes are usually right]

9/15/2025 7:28:23 AM

Quote :

"When the data and anecdotes disagree, the anecdotes are usually right"

Certainly a take

9/15/2025 9:09:02 AM

It’s Bezos rule of thumb. It means examine the data and make sure you’re measuring correctly. Especially since statistical targets drift over time partly due to controls and measurement changing outcome but also patterns in what’s being measured where the model doesn’t account for reality.

It kind of follows from this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law.

Quote :

" Goodhart's law is an adage that has been stated as, "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure".[1] It is named after British economist Charles Goodhart, who is credited with expressing the core idea of the adage in a 1975 article on monetary policy in the United Kingdom:[2] Any observed statistical regularity will tend to collapse once pressure is placed upon it for control purposes.[3] While it originated in the context of market responses, the law has profound implications for the selection of high-level targets in organizations.[3] Jon Danielsson states the law as Any statistical relationship will break down when used for policy purposes. And suggested a corollary for use in financial risk modelling: A risk model breaks down when used for regulatory purposes."

[Edited on September 15, 2025 at 9:34 AM. Reason : A]

9/15/2025 9:30:31 AM

Quote :

"The attacks on Trump's supporters at his own rallies early on started this cycle of violence"

Is this before or after Charlottesville?

9/15/2025 10:10:18 AM

Before. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/02/donald-trump-protests-san-jose-rally-violence-sanders-clinton

There were multiple incidents in that time frame. This has a overview: [user][/user]https://weta.org/watch/shows/pbs-news-hour/another-trump-campaign-rally-ends-chaotic-crowd-violence-1472256008

[Edited on September 15, 2025 at 11:06 AM. Reason : A]

9/15/2025 11:04:11 AM

Quote :

"When the data and anecdotes disagree, the anecdotes are usually right"

I'd like to hear more about this, because this doesn't sound right to me.

9/15/2025 11:24:26 AM