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wdprice3
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2009


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What's going on here? I ain't no stinking libturd! I still think this quiz is missing some key issues that would pull me closer to the center of left / right.

[Edited on April 25, 2017 at 8:50 AM. Reason : .]

4/25/2017 8:48:44 AM

eleusis
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I think it's a shift in the scoring of the test, combined with problems in the phrasing of the questions given the current political climate. I think everyone with the exception of Neuservrrat is being underscored on authoritarian issues. With as intertwined as the US government is with private businesses, it's hard to separate domination by state institutions from domination by private businesses. This likely gets taken into account by most people with they answer questions, which is why most people fall along a line from the bottom left to the top right of the quiz.

4/25/2017 10:29:42 AM

NyM410
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That's definitely true.

I haven't looked at the questions but this is obviously an older test and social questions such as drug legalization probably fall somewhere along the bottom left a decade ago and now, aside from the weirdos, that is a pretty mainstream view.

4/25/2017 11:43:27 AM

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The other thread got me thinking about the left-right spectrum. Its a measure of the degree at which you think you should have to work for what you get. I hate that we have people who want to sit back while other people work.

(left)Believe in working for pay<--------------------------------------->Believe in other people working for you (right)

Being in the middle means you believe in a combination of working for money and using some of that money to steal other people's work.

Some of the people on the right end believe in actual slavery, while some believe in scamming while some believe in mugging. They are all forms of theft. Either way, you are living off the fruit of someone else's labour.

4/25/2017 7:38:24 PM

eleusis
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no one on the right side of that graph is arguing for universal income and handouts for all. You may want to rethink your interpretation of the graph.

4/25/2017 7:59:09 PM

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I didn't say anything about universal. They want people to work for their benefit only and certainly not the benefit of all because that would mean less for them and require them to do more actual work.

4/25/2017 8:37:37 PM

rwoody
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I don't know if there's a better thread or if there's a modern version of a political compass, but I really kind of just want to know one posters political identification

10/3/2025 12:51:35 PM

CaelNCSU
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^ Who's?

I have some code that tries to generate one based on post history. It did not get good results, so I didn't post it in my TSB hacking thread. I have some new ideas on how to do it, so could try to modify it instead of like, work on my actual job this afternoon.

[Edited on October 3, 2025 at 1:31 PM. Reason : a]

10/3/2025 1:31:05 PM

StTexan
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I am all for you disregarding your work this friday

[Edited on October 3, 2025 at 1:47 PM. Reason : In before the coz who is post]

10/3/2025 1:35:58 PM

CaelNCSU
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I used the statements found here: https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candidate/political-courage-test/15723/donald-trump. Roy Cooper just had a quiz so formatted it into a statement of his support/denial of a particular issue. I imagine him and Walz since they talk state stuff got lumped away from the national politicians. Biden and Trump being together probably nixes this as a good political compass generator.

Caveat, I'm not filtering the statements for TWW users against the politician ones. This means lots of non political text gets garbled up into it skewing us out of the political dimension. I'll do another one if I have time that checks how similar it is to the average of the political statements.

Users and Politicians


Users


Politicians


[Edited on October 3, 2025 at 4:45 PM. Reason : StTexan added]

10/3/2025 4:43:23 PM

StTexan
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Qfred would be a good one to add, and tgl3. And treetwista. And moron. Not too many i can think of past those

[Edited on October 3, 2025 at 4:56 PM. Reason : So thats saying me and the coz are same politically?]

10/3/2025 4:55:30 PM

CaelNCSU
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Only a moron would leave out moron...

10/3/2025 5:05:39 PM

utowncha
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I am immediately suspicious when I see x and y scales changing with every new graph.

10/3/2025 5:22:38 PM

rwoody
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I'll admit I don't have a single clue what that chart is supposed to mean

10/3/2025 6:00:05 PM

CaelNCSU
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^ I take the statements made collectively, posts here, and turn it into a embedding. A simple way to think about an embedding is as meaning of the statement. The embedding is a list of numbers. You can think each dimension of the list of numbers of having a specific meaning roundness, gender, play/work, and left/right politics.

So 1, -1, 1, -1 would be (round, female, playing, left), like a blue hair reddit user lets say. In theory the meaning would be captured from a list of posts.

Intuitively it's like casting a shadow from a 3d object to 2d plane. It's doing that and finding the biggest shadow drawn (from the light casting the shadow). So in theory the similar shaped and sized shadows are similar meaning. So like TGLs shadow would be a trans reddit leftist.

10/3/2025 6:45:00 PM

rwoody
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Quote :
"round, female, playing, left"


What

Regardless, the groupings you show look like nonsense if they are politics based

10/3/2025 7:07:20 PM

The Coz
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I don't love that my shadow is that close to TGL, but with respect to your efforts and points for originality and work avoidance, the output is currently not a reliable indicator of anything.

How good is the model at detecting sarcasm in text? Specifically, when a person says something that is the exact opposite of what they mean with the true meaning only derived from context or knowledge of the user's post history.

Also,

Quote :
"WHO

IS

? . . ."

10/3/2025 7:12:43 PM

CaelNCSU
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^^ yeah my hope was a collection of political posts would capture political meaning as the most relevant, but with those embeddings that doesn’t seem to be what it is.

10/3/2025 7:25:21 PM

rwoody
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Thanks for trying

10/3/2025 7:51:14 PM

The Coz
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10/4/2025 11:30:47 AM

CaelNCSU
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New method:

10/11/2025 4:54:29 PM

aaronburro
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Anything that has me left of TGL3 is pure dogshit

10/11/2025 4:58:12 PM

The Coz
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If you look at the assigned labels, you're not.

10/11/2025 5:13:10 PM

aaronburro
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That's kind of proving the point of why it's so bad from a data visualization point of view

10/11/2025 5:34:43 PM

StTexan
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So is that thing saying tgl3 is a centrist? Cause i'd hardly say that is accurate either

10/11/2025 5:52:37 PM

rwoody
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r/dataisugly

10/11/2025 6:14:22 PM

utowncha
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How is it supposed to score tgl when his deepest analysis is "bro what?"

10/11/2025 8:25:25 PM

CaelNCSU
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^ That's basically the problem, it's sampling 50 posts and a lot of them are just a link, "come the fuck on bro", or some sarcastic retort that doesn't have the context of what he's retorting to.

10/12/2025 7:57:47 AM

rwoody
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Sure, that's the problem

10/12/2025 9:46:46 AM

utowncha
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"care to explain the problem?"

10/12/2025 3:58:57 PM

moron
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50 posts? Is that a sample for ants?

10/12/2025 9:05:51 PM

aaronburro
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^ Didn't you know, bro? I'm left of you!

10/12/2025 11:55:52 PM

rjrumfel
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I see didn’t make the cut

10/13/2025 8:39:58 AM

rwoody
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It's kinda funny bc I bumped this and most of the folks that he picks have very clear and obvious opinions

A new poster could spend a day or two looking through 5-10 threads and get a good idea of the leanings of >90% of the usual TSB folks

10/13/2025 9:09:02 AM

The Coz
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Yeah, but that wouldn't consume a lot of computing resources and generate bad data.

10/13/2025 9:16:37 AM

rjrumfel
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I feel like my views today are very different than they were 10 years ago.

10/13/2025 10:28:30 AM

CaelNCSU
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I think I’ve spent under fifty cents since I started screwing with it.

Originally the idea was to see if I could using embedding models detect similarity, then it evolved to generate a political compass. For that type of task I saw a few research papers doing similar things that said 50 samples was a good point to stabilize.

The point is to experiment and learn things not classify your dumb opinions.

10/13/2025 10:35:52 AM

The Coz
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LOL! Roasted!

10/13/2025 11:27:03 AM

thegoodlife3
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Quote :
" Antifa McMuffin Prepper
@BadBunnyTwitch

Hi! I'm a white dude who likes to play devil's advocate bc other people's struggles are theoretical to me. It's fun to debate ur rights! I'm here to exhaust u so l can stop progress & maintain the status quo, which serves me. Im uninterested in learning; ur frustration is my goal"


I’d never seen this tweet from 5 years ago

feel like it could go in a number of other threads, but this one feels apt

10/14/2025 10:36:46 PM

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