Pakistani President (General something...military gov't):

said that Pakistan will give "all resources in a coordinated effort with the United States to locate and punish those responsible for the attacks."

and when the firefighters were pulled out, people started chanting "USA! USA!"

9/13/2001 2:56:17 PM

i dont really know if this has been addressed yet

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but bush asked for businesses to close tomorrow for a day of mourning....what do you all think of this? is it necessary?

9/13/2001 3:00:57 PM

I thought Bush asked for a moment at lunch time, not the whole day ...

9/13/2001 3:03:16 PM

thats not how it seemed on msnbc...........wait til i see it again (and you know they will talk about it again and again and again)

9/13/2001 3:04:16 PM

the gov't says that they know definitively (ZERO doubt) 18 hijackers, their identifications, etc. 5 each for the ones that hit the WTC, 4 in the Pentagon plane, 4 in the PA plane.

9/13/2001 3:06:23 PM

Fox news said that they believe they have found the body of one of the hijackers in one of the wrecked cock pit of one of the world trade center planes

they reason why they think it may be a hijacker is because it was a person in the cock pit that did not have a captin or stewardess uniform on, but rather other clothes

9/13/2001 3:06:36 PM

sweet.

9/13/2001 3:08:49 PM

Quote :

"The United States will respond to the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington with a sustained military campaign, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz said Thursday, and Secretary of State Colin Powell said in the "last 24 hours we've been building our coalition" to do so."

fox news

9/13/2001 3:12:52 PM

Quote :

"Bush: 'This is now the focus of my administration.'""

9/13/2001 3:14:44 PM

NYSE not to start trading til 9:30am MONDAY morning

9/13/2001 3:27:18 PM

Quote :

"Five firefighters were pulled alive from the rubble of the World Trade Center around noon Thursday, at least two of whom had been trapped inside a buried sport utility vehicle since the twin towers collapsed Tuesday morning"

SUVS SUCK??? heh

9/13/2001 3:27:49 PM

it was a fire dept. truck. not your typical un-modified SUV.

9/13/2001 3:35:53 PM

On a side note, I managed to tie general relativity and quantum mechanics together.

9/13/2001 3:39:52 PM

my cat's breath smells like cat food.

9/13/2001 3:48:45 PM

Congress working on a resolution for use of force...

9/13/2001 4:02:01 PM

I'm watching NBC right now and thye just said that the south side of a part of the building is about to collapse so they called the rescue workers out but they can hear a woman beneath t he rubble....

9/13/2001 4:30:28 PM

oh my goodness beck... south side of which building... wait, better yet, i'm gonna put on the news

9/13/2001 4:32:48 PM

just a sidenote: I think Bush has handled this situation excellent so far. From his press conf. this morning he was fighting back tears and his voice was shaky...I hope he continues to do the right thing......

9/13/2001 4:38:02 PM

i agree beck

9/13/2001 4:39:09 PM

We will see pictures of the hijackers at 7pm.

9/13/2001 4:40:34 PM

Bush has handled it decent but not excellent by any means. Compare how the WW2 situation was handled.

9/13/2001 4:40:40 PM

I think given the circumstances that Bush has done an excellent job... this attack was out of nowhere... completely out of nowhere...

9/13/2001 4:41:19 PM

vanessa it has to be the pentagon....thats where the damage was

9/13/2001 4:42:04 PM

they are talking about 3 something place in NY on CNN

9/13/2001 4:42:39 PM

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet but one channel (I think was either MSNBC or ABC) was having people on discussin their missed loved ones....and several said that when the hits at twc happened their loved ones called them on their cell phoned or e-mailed and said that they are okay but they didn't know what was going on and that they were told to move to a higher floor b/c the stairwells were full of smoke. Why in the world would they tell them to move to a higher floor....had they not...perhaps people would have a better chance of getting out of the building.

9/13/2001 4:42:47 PM

sorry, but WW2 is not even close to this situation...

Bush has done the job he was elected to do... thats all that is important...

9/13/2001 4:42:55 PM

I still think he has done an excellent job, this attack did come out of nowhere...no one was prepared for it...and I don't care how many times he was lost searching for words, said UH, HUM, or UM in that conf. He was making sure not to say anything stupid that he would regret....and I am sure it also had to do with his emotions and the pressures he has of doing the right thing for the rest of this country.

9/13/2001 4:45:46 PM

Quote :

"Bush has handled it decent but not excellent by any means. Compare how the WW2 situation was handled. "

in WW2 we didnt actually do anything until 55 days after Pearl Harbor. we're doing a pretty damn good job if you ask me, and doing it quickly too.

9/13/2001 4:46:41 PM

i agree j^2

9/13/2001 4:47:45 PM

I don't even think you can compare the two...that was then...this is now.....

9/13/2001 4:48:14 PM

well its the only thing similar in magnitude (in my opinion only of course)

9/13/2001 4:48:45 PM

i'm in agreement beck...

i'm just point it out to those that haven't supported bush in the past...

9/13/2001 4:48:58 PM

wow....NBC is running some sad stuff.....they just interviewed the wife and son of one of the flight attendants on one of the planes that went into the WTC....

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9/13/2001 4:51:24 PM

ive supported him all along.

i voted for him...and i think he is doing the best job anyone can do

9/13/2001 4:51:26 PM

I agree. Even though I can't vote...and I wasn't impressed with either candidates a the time...I leaned more towards Bush and I am highly impressed with Bush now

9/13/2001 4:53:16 PM

a reporter was talking to a guy whose dad ran something on the observation deck...he called from 90-100th-something floor, saying there were people there waiting for smoke to clear before going down further...he is allegedly on a list of survivors online, but nobody can find him yet...she was barely able to hold back tears and sobbing...

9/13/2001 4:53:16 PM

damn, they're talking about possibly putting Delta Force on flights until the US Air Marshalls can be trained with Delta Force methods...

AmEx building is experiencing "some collapsing", internal buckling, building hasnt visibly moved yet...

9/13/2001 4:54:54 PM

part of the south edge of the south tower is beginning to collapse...(same area where the landslide was today)

9/13/2001 4:55:38 PM

the AmEx building was used for triage and morgue , its evacuated now...its really unstable and it and one liberty plaza is still unstable...

9/13/2001 4:55:41 PM

Nearly 12 tonnes of gold appears to be buried under mountains of debris from New York City's destroyed twin towers, where experts said it was securely out of reach of treasure hunters, looters and, for now, even the bullion trading community.


http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010913/n13111180_1.html

9/13/2001 5:02:31 PM

they're now saying that the officials are saying that the 5 firefighter rescue thing didnt actually happen

they think they might have gotten the "black box" (Flight Data Recorder) on the PA flight...

9/13/2001 5:05:06 PM

the "5 guys in an SUV" was false...some firefighters fell into a hole in debris, when they got out some people jumped the gun...

some members of the media have been arrested for posing as firefighters and/or agents to try to sneak into restricted areas and get closer to groundzero and take pictures.

and the buildings are still dangerously close to collapse. it could be even worse, as rain and possibly high wind are expected in the next few days...

9/13/2001 5:13:29 PM

Capitol Hill evacuated because of bomb scare.

9/13/2001 5:52:03 PM

FAA has suspended all flights to NY due to FBI activity.

9/13/2001 5:58:58 PM

2 people arrested in Germany. 1 in London.

9/13/2001 6:13:14 PM

Bomb scare at the Capitol was false.

9/13/2001 6:25:35 PM

i found this one the web today....its a little old but very interesting

Quote :

"An Open Letter to Mr. Ossama bin Laden by L. Reichard White rick.rabbit@elmos.com Special to TLE Dear Mr. bin Laden, In your interview with Diane Sawyer in 1997 you said that you were declaring war against the United States Government and the U.S. military. My friend Larry and I applauded your perspicacity and self-restraint when we heard that. After all, American citizens are victims of their government too, just not as much victims as the folks the bombs and cruise missiles land on. We're robbed, that is taxed, to pay for those missiles, and for many of us, it's against our will. I know I'm on thin ice here -- after all, NATO bombed the Kosovars, not to mention the Serbs -- despite the fact that the Yugoslav people, in one of the longest sustained peaceful demonstrations in history, tried to overthrow their unpopular President Milosevic just three years ago. Sadly we Americans have few such anti-government demonstrations to prove we are against what the unpopular politicians in Washington are doing to other people. Despite the anti Milosevic demonstrations (and the fact that Milosevic was originally backed by the same - - - the same people in the American Government who orchestrated the bombing), and despite the fact that some realized the Yugoslav people too were the victims of their government ... ~"We are not against the Yugoslav people. . . . They're decent folks. While not to the same degree as the Kosovars, they're victims of their government and its policies." -- NATO spokesman Jamie Shea, 2 April 1999 ... the Clinton Administration and NATO bureaucrats still blamed -- and ultimately punished -- the Yugoslav people for the Yugoslav government's depredations: "If [Yugoslav] civilians are worried about military action [bombing] in Yugoslavia, they should tell their president that he can stop this by withdrawing his troops from Kosovo, by stopping the killing and by agreeing to the conditions in the Ramboullier agreement that would bring peace and autonomy to Kosovo." -- Pentagon spokesman Ken Bacon, 31 March 1999 At least 2000 Serb civilians and countless Kosovars were killed as a result -- and bombing them only "back to the Stone Age," would apparently improve things by several centuries! The American government similarly punished the Iraqi people for the depredations of their government as well -- at least 200,000 of them died as a result of the so-called "Gulf War," and many more, especially children and old folks, as a result of the British-American imposed economic sanctions. As I've observed before, most governments and other terrorists no longer make the distinction between the government of the country they attack and the people living in that country. Until recently, Mr. bin Laden, you were one of the rare exceptions. But Phyllis Schlafley reports that in addition to the U.S. Government and the military, you are now going after any American who pays taxes as well: "It's not only our U.S. troops who will be put in mortal danger; bin Laden has stated unequivocally that all Americans, including 'those who pay taxes,' are targets. At a recent Senate hearing, CIA Director George Tenet warned against the danger of a stepped-up terrorist campaign, saying, 'There is not the slightest doubt that Osama bin Laden, his worldwide allies, and his sympathizers are planning further attacks against us.'" -- Troops to Kosovo; Terror for Americans? February 24, 1999 I'm wondering if your change of heart is because U.S. government spokespeople sound so barbaric, like when Bush's Sec. of State James Baker told Iraqi Minister Tarique Aziz, "We will bomb you back to the stone age," and -- Leslie Stahl: We have heard that half a million children have died [in Iraq]. I mean, that's more than died in Hiroshima. And you know, is the price worth it? Then U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, Madeline Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price -- we think the price is worth it. I guess endorsing the deaths of half-a-million children to further U.S. foreign policy proves you should be Secretary of State, because that's the job "Mad" Albright now has. There's no use trying to hide these things -- you can find that Leslie Stahl interview quote right on the internet at www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/4481/greatquotes.html for example. But please Mr. bin Laden, remember, these -- these people in the American government don't speak for most of us citizens. Less than half of us who were eligible voted in the last presidential election. I like to think that was sort of a silent protest. I'm truly sorry that our tax money pays for such things, but most Americans, even the majority of us who decry bombing of folks in other countries, don't have the guts to stop sending the robbers in Washington lots of our money. (According to Sen. Don L. Nickles (R-OK), this can amount to 43.3% for just the income tax plus F.I.C.A. alone.) We're afraid the IRS will steal all our property and throw us in prison, leaving our families destitute. I know it really sounds strange, but we're so brainwashed by our "free press" that we don't even know what's being done with this money, let alone how to stop sending it to them. I suppose ignorance and cowardice aren't good excuses, but those are about the only ones we have. In fairness though, this was pretty much the only defense German citizens had for what Hitler did, the Russians for Stalin, etc. and in fact generally what citizens of most government-dominated societies usually claim. Mr. bin Laden, in the few video clips I've seen of you, -- and the one still-shot the American media seems to like -- you look like a very serene man. This seems highly unusual for someone in your line of work, especially when now and then they shoot Tomahawk cruise missiles at you personally. I can only conclude you're thoroughly convinced that what you're doing is the right thing, so I suppose there is little I can say to dissuade you. I guess we can't realistically expect you to hold higher standards than those held by our own United States government after all, especially from the standpoint of the US military's definition of a guerilla fighter as "a patriot with inferior resources." I guess it would be hard to argue that, holding yourself to higher standards than the American government, you shouldn't blame or punish the American people for the evil policies of their government. It's just that I feel and hope you may have a more developed sense of justice and fair-play. From your past successes (blowing up the American barracks in Riyadh for example), it's clear that you can pull off some pretty hallacious attacks. Blowing up both those African U.S. embassies at the same time sure impressed me. Some of our more candid politicians (as in other countries, we don't have very many) in their most candid moments admit that determined "terrorists" ("patriots with inferior resources?") can't be stopped: "Now the mayor [Rudy Giuliani] had spoken earlier on the general threat of terrorism saying, 'Short of closing down America and closing down the city of New York, it would be impossible to entirely prevent terrorism.' He added that, 'It's impossible to have a police officer every place. That would be unrealistic and it would change the nature of a free society.'" -- Brian Jenkins, CNN Live, 19 Feb. 1998 It's almost a forgone conclusion then that, the US government will continue meddling in other people's affairs, no one can stand directly against America's mechanized storm troopers, and so the main alternative for revenge and deterrance for 1. above is, well, just what you have been doing. Finally Mr. bin Laden, I saw a news segment (CNN) claiming you're now targeting either New York City or Washington, D.C. If this is true, I can only hope that you make the right decision. Ever since the bombing of the Murrah Federal office building in Oklahoma City by anti-government Americans, (does that count in our favor?), I've been advising everyone to stay out of Federal buildings anyway. I guess "collateral damage" is inevitable, but I hope you'll try to keep it to a better minimum than NATO did in Kosovo! And if at all possible, could you please spare the Jefferson Memorial? Sincerely, L. Reichard White rick.rabbit@elmos.com P.S. I'm not sure you see yourself as a "terrorist," but if so, I hope you're not insulted to be linked with "governments" as in "governments and other terrorists." No disrespect intended I assure you. P.P.S. More and more inhabitants here in North America are refraining from paying taxes, at least the infamous "income tax." Some estimates put this number as high as 20 or 30 million. Can we perhaps get some sort of certification or sticker or something so you'll know to leave us alone? P.P.P.S. The U.S. Government, by way of snitches and/or FBI and other operatives, have been involved in the Viper Militia in Arizona, the Trade Tower bombing, the Olympic Park bombing, the Oklahoma City bombing, etc. -- so if you attack any place but Washington, D.C., the Feds may get the credit. "

sorry...i know its long but worth the reading

9/13/2001 6:29:02 PM

i know that this isnt really THAT funny... but the episode of the simpsons on tonight is the one about APU being the big bachelor...

9/13/2001 6:34:48 PM

NY airports closed again

9/13/2001 7:01:49 PM

NBC: The United States now officially recognizes Usama Bin Laden as being directly responsible for this attack. Beware Afghanistan, we are coming for this bastard, and you are in our way.

Sidenote - There have been arrests all over the world at airports today. We've detained two Saudi Nationals at an NY airport, several people posing as crewman at a different airport in NY, a man was detained at a London airport (possibly linked to the bombing), the two men in Hamburg, Germany have been arrested as well... the fur is going to fly.

god - did anyone else see the report on CNN about the families? the reporter's emotions have just moved me to tears again...

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9/13/2001 7:04:05 PM