Examples of you being tone deaf or being out of touch with the american people or what? Examples of what?

8/21/2025 2:26:53 PM

Examples of never being introspective about being consistently wrong.

8/21/2025 2:39:54 PM

about what?

this is why I’m asking for examples

8/21/2025 2:43:38 PM

still waiting

8/22/2025 12:40:41 AM

^^^wrong is probably not the right word. More like the battles he picks won't win elections?

8/22/2025 1:07:12 AM

Strategically wrong.

8/22/2025 7:26:21 AM

He thinks he can badger people into getting the response he wants. He does it with politics, movies, music... It's particularly absurd when it comes to pop-culture because these things are clearly subjective but that just doesn't register with him. He wants to fight and be as unlikable as possible.

Somehow he doesn't understand these behaviors accomplish the opposite of what he wants. Politically speaking, millions of people like him doing this exact same thing is why people generically call democrats "annoying." The perfect allegory here is "The North Wind" from Aesop's Fables.

Anyway, one recent example of him simply being wrong is when he said something like "republicans have never been right about anything." But I don't remember what thread that was.

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8/22/2025 7:48:22 AM

coming back to this.

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"So it's actually quite relevant to the OP. The OP was about how on the Democrat party side we're much more willing to be critical of our country, our government, our culture, etc."

but the OP was from 10 years ago, even though the same person is one of the ones involved here

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"What I am suggesting is that part of the spectrum of left leaning folks in this country spend TOO MUCH time criticizing America and Americans, and not enough time appreciating the good things about it and the progress that we have in fact made. The criticism used to be mostly relatively healthy. But, as I have said before, when they didn't get their way on everything (and to be clear, I believe that some of the things they were fighting for were completely legitimate) their only strategy was to escalate the rhetoric and pound their fists on the table even harder."

who are you talking about here? General citizens? Progressive politicians? Dem politicians? TWW posters?

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"And so suddenly everything was racist. Everything was injustice. America was only capable of bad things. The oppressor–oppressed framework became the primary rubric for evaluating everything. It was intellectually lazy, it did not produce real justice, and it annoyed the fuck out of everybody. And now the Democrats political approval reflects those choices."

Again, you make a huge jump here from 'i dont like this' to 'this is why dems are unpopular'. I cant claim to know the reasons why Dems are unpopular but can think of many other possibilities like, handling of inflation, allowing Biden to get as far as he did as '24 candidate, israel/gaza wishy washy meaning both sides are unhappy, failure to hold Trump responsible post 2020, seeming impotent to fight back against trump now, etc.

But of course dems have also lost the propaganda battle/war, MAGA has massive media apparatus that are directly tied in and refuse to criticize and a base that things anything they do must be right, especially if it makes dems mad. Meanwhile the non MAGA media is so focused on being 'fair and equal' that they say 'surely maga doenst really mean' things that maga actually says while 'why are dems doing this' for things that random tik tok accounts say. just look at the dem messaging post and all the airplay given to that third way column with zero attempt to check anything past vibes. And, like you say, the dem base is willing to state their displeasure with dems, for wildly different reasons.

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"The progressives only know how to complain,"

This is rich, you complain on here all the time, this whole post is complaining. Everybody complains, the basis of politics is saying how you could do better than the current guy. But also, yes of course progessives 'complain', look at where we are and how much we've lost, are they supposed to cheerlead?

Also maga has been complaining about made up grievances for a decade (decadeS if you include general right wing) and they have about as close to absolute power as you can get in this country. Your post says right wing is less critical but their slogan is MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. their whole slogan is a critical!! They are absolutely just as critical.

also just for no reason

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"They have terrible tactics for trying to rally support to their causes, and the worst part is that they spend all their time pointing the finger at everybody else for all their sins, but are incapable of recognizing when they've also been wrong."

All this stuff trying progressives to Dem failures, but dont Bernie and AOC consistently outpace Dem party favorability?? Is there a chance that the dems current unpopularity comes from many complex reasons, you just want it to be this one. Your whole post claims to know why Dems are unpopular, but, part of why I mentioned the Forward party, you consistently put your whole chest behind folks even less popular than progressives like Yang and Dean Phillips. Maybe you dont have all the answers either.

Also please express what policies the Dems should accept or reject to shun the progressives? and once that's all done, some evidence that the votes they lose from the left will be replaced by center votes.

Also, Kamala was a fine candidate, her main problem is the party needed someone that could/would distance themselves from Biden and she couldnt/wouldnt. But even then, with the economy the way it was, any candidate outside of Obama would have been fighting a battle.

8/24/2025 10:33:55 AM

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"NEW Aug. Strength In Numbers/Verasight poll finds Democrats up 8 pts on the U.S. House generic ballot (49-41), Trump at 41% approval (-15). Most voters say gerrymandering is a problem, and support natl law for redistricting commissions and proportional rep'n.?? https://www.gelliottmorris.com/p/democrats-lead-the-us-house-generic"

8/26/2025 9:23:55 AM