Shootings by police are at an all time.

Shootings of police are at a 20 year low. Violent crime is at a near all-time low.

It's an issue, and yes, one racial group is suffering disproportionately vs. others. And not just vs. their total percentage of the population, but for the same behaviors or types of interactions. It's also the reason that many minorities are fed up with other aspects of the judicial system, a higher number of prosecutions for the same underlying arrests, longer sentences for the same crime even when correcting for mitigating or exacerbating circumstances, and so on and so on.

Now, the BLM movement has done an awful job of handling the optics of their movement, and you have to be a bit suspicious of anyone heavily funded by George Soros, but they have a legitimate grievance.

10/27/2015 7:53:23 PM

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"It's an issue, and yes, one racial group is suffering disproportionately vs. others"

Perhaps because they are disproportionately committing more crime?

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"legitimate grievance"

Nobody disagrees with the legitimate grievances. They just disagree with false narratives of "Hands up dont shoot". False narratives of racist until proven not racist. Martyrs that assault cops and rob stores don't usually get much support from people with brains. When Black men kill each other BLM doesn't care. It only cares about Black Lives when White Cops pull the trigger. So essentially it is just hypocritical and used for race-baiting on social media.

10/27/2015 8:06:07 PM

Bravo. I'm impressed that you managed to quote the part that I then went on to go into more depth about like it wasn't even there.

Are you sure you aren't secretly aaronburro in disguise?

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"When Black men kill each other BLM doesn't care. It only cares about Black Lives when White Cops pull the trigger. So essentially it is just hypocritical and used for race-baiting on social media."

There's a key issue that you're missing here, and that's the fact that police and the judicial system are very much an entrenched power structure and representative of the government and the majority as a whole. When black people are systematically abused by those systems and killed at an alarming rate compared to people of other races it's a much different and more concerning issue than if I shot some black guy.

Ultimately it makes no difference to the dead person how he died, he's dead. The problem is that in large measure when a black guy dies, especially at the hands of the police, there is a much smaller chance of there being justice for that killing.

Now, again, there is a huge problem with the overall incestuous relationship between prosecutors and police but it's an even more glaring problem if you're part of a minority group that receives a lot of "policing."

[Edited on October 27, 2015 at 8:13 PM. Reason : cxvxcv]

10/27/2015 8:07:56 PM

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"Just because a few thugs get killed by cops doesn't mean society thinks Black Lives don't Matter, no matter what false-victim narrative the liberal media spoon feeds you."

Thats not why society thinks black lives don't matter. Society knows black lives don't matter because they haven't mattered historically. Its not the thugs being killed that reaffirm this knowledge, its the dozens of innocent, unarmed adults, and children who have been killed or harassed. You are using one example to assert your racist claim that all blacks killed by police are thugs.

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"Black men kill each other BLM doesn't care. It only cares about Black Lives when White Cops pull the trigger. "

Black people are afraid to call the police in to handle real crime, often gang-related because the cops tend to be more violent towards those who aren't involved than the gangs were. This fear of police allows the gangs to operate freely which leads to more gang on gang murders.

Why call the police if they will just escalate the situation and potentially kill someone?

I'd avoid the police at all costs if i lived in one of "those areas" .

1. avoid gangs
2. avoid police
3. lay low
4. hope for the best

When something like this happens it doens't only take away an innocent life, but it takes away any hope that the community could have good policing.

10/27/2015 8:27:51 PM

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"Black people are afraid to call the police in to handle real crime, often gang-related because the cops tend to be more violent towards those who aren't involved than the gangs were snitches get stitches."

10/27/2015 9:47:28 PM

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"There's a key issue that you're missing here, and that's the fact that police and the judicial system are very much an entrenched power structure and representative of the government and the majority as a whole. When black people are systematically abused by those systems and killed at an alarming rate compared to people of other races it's a much different and more concerning issue than if I shot some black guy."

Perfectly valid point, which is why "Black Lives Matter" is a horrible slogan for it. It literally doesn't get a single bit of that across, though. And, it allows for the obvious, stupid retort that JCE gave of "black lives need to first matter to black people, who keep killing each other left and right."

I think the biggest problem with BLM is its insistence on combining two problems into one, to the detriment of both. There's definitely a problem with how the entire criminal justice system is stacked against minorities, but there's also a very real problem with excessive use of police force against civilians. The intersection of these two problems ends up being horrendous for minorities, which is what BLM is focusing on, but they do it by highlighting race, which drives away many people who might otherwise listen. For fuck's sake, there's a considerable libertarian bent to the Republican party at times, and those people are uncomfortable with the increasing militarization of police. They are less attentive to race issues, and while they are more likely to think a black person who gets roughed up by the police was just a thug who had it coming, they would still be far more receptive to the police brutality angle if the race part of it weren't brought up so prominently. Given that minorities are far more likely to be the victims of police brutality than whites, an across the board reduction in that brutality is going to be extremely helpful to non-whites as a matter of simple statistics. Instead, BLM plays up race, alienating those who might otherwise be helpful. And frankly, they need whites to get anything done about it, because, according to them, whites are the ones in power, and thus are the ones capable of effecting the change which BLM wants.

10/27/2015 10:40:27 PM

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"Thats not why society thinks black lives don't matter. Society knows black lives don't matter because they haven't mattered historically. "

I wasn't aware you were the spokesperson for "society"? I also notice the liberals tend to use "society" as a great vague scapegoat when they want people that aren't victims to be portrayed as victims but can't assign blame to anyone because it is a false-narrative.

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"Its not the thugs being killed that reaffirm this knowledge, its the dozens of innocent, unarmed adults, and children who have been killed or harassed."

Which innocent children? Ones pointing a gun at cops?

"Dozens"? Such a low number, but when the media only covers sensationalized race cases I can see how the false-narrative becomes believed by the masses. The trick is using your brain and knowing that there are almost always more relevant factors and it isn't the racist police (or "society") thinking that black lives don't matter.

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"You are using one example to assert your racist claim that all blacks killed by police are thugs. "

That is a straw man argument. Baseless accusations of racism = liberal defense 101.

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"Black people are afraid to call the police in to handle real crime, often gang-related because the cops tend to be more violent towards those who aren't involved than the gangs were. This fear of police allows the gangs to operate freely which leads to more gang on gang murders. "

And this is based on ______ ?

10/27/2015 11:01:45 PM

I'm shocked that you made it through college without learning about America's racism and I'm not going to give you a history lesson. If I come across something that spells out the history of racism in America and how its affects have been perpetuated by current systems, I'll post it. No ones saying the police are racist. Its systemic racism that causes poor policing to affect black people and its systemic racism that allows the police to escape punishment.

People aren't just mad because black people are being killed by police. They are mad because police aren't being punished for killing black people.

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"And this is based on ______ ?"

Do you live under a rock? Have you not heard about the justice department reports and fbi investigations about how several police departments around the country including but not limited to ferguson, chicago, cleveland, and baltimore have terrorized innocent citizens for years? No one is going to call police they believe are corrupt.

10/27/2015 11:25:33 PM

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"There's definitely a problem with how the entire criminal justice system is stacked against minorities, but there's also a very real problem with excessive use of police force against civilians. The intersection of these two problems ends up being horrendous for minorities, which is what BLM is focusing on, but they do it by highlighting race, which drives away many people who might otherwise listen. For fuck's sake, there's a considerable libertarian bent to the Republican party at times, and those people are uncomfortable with the increasing militarization of police. They are less attentive to race issues, and while they are more likely to think a black person who gets roughed up by the police was just a thug who had it coming, they would still be far more receptive to the police brutality angle if the race part of it weren't brought up so prominently. Given that minorities are far more likely to be the victims of police brutality than whites, an across the board reduction in that brutality is going to be extremely helpful to non-whites as a matter of simple statistics. Instead, BLM plays up race, alienating those who might otherwise be helpful"

Glad someone has sense.

10/28/2015 2:27:29 AM

it only alienates racists though

10/28/2015 9:40:32 AM

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"it only alienates racists though"

No it simply claims anyone that doesn't pay lip-service to it is racist. I hope we see more use of the Soros-funded BLM "activists" against Bernie Sanders. "A 10 minute moment of silence for some thug that assaulted a cop... RIP Michael Brown, STFU racist Seattle, you're racist!". Liberals destroying liberals.

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"No ones saying the police are racist. "

Except they are. You can back pedal and fall back on "society" is racist, but the underlying theme of everyone of these cop stories is 100% race, nothing else.

10/28/2015 10:12:27 AM

no, it only alienates racists

if any of those proud libertarians that aaronburro talks about were not being racists, they would recognize that "hey, this group that is speaking up for the minorities want changes that will benefit everyone" and they would be okay with it

but they get pissy about it because they are racist.

[Edited on October 28, 2015 at 10:42 AM. Reason : you are pissy about it because you are a racist.]

10/28/2015 10:42:21 AM

JCE2011 should read this:
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/11-ways-white-america-avoids-taking-responsibility-its-racism

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"NEWS & POLITICS 11 Ways White America Avoids Taking Responsibility for its Racism The pernicious impact of "white fragility." By Dr. Robin Diangelo / The Good Men Project June 16, 2015 I am white. I write and teach about what it means to be white in a society that proclaims race meaningless, yet remains deeply divided by race. A fundamental but very challenging part of my work is moving white people from an individual understanding of racism—i.e. only some people are racist and those people are bad—to a structural understanding. A structural understanding recognizes racism as a default system that institutionalizes an unequal distribution of resources and power between white people and people of color. This system is historic, taken for granted, deeply embedded, and it works to the benefit of whites. The two most effective beliefs that prevent us (whites) from seeing racism as a system are: that racists are bad people and that racism is conscious dislike; if we are well-intended and do not consciously dislike people of color, we cannot be racist. This is why it is so common for white people to cite their friends and family members as evidence of their lack of racism. However, when you understand racism as a system of structured relations into which we are all socialized, you understand that intentions are irrelevant. And when you understand how socialization works, you understand that much of racial bias is unconscious. Negative messages about people of color circulate all around us. While having friends of color is better than not having them, it doesn’t change the overall system or prevent racism from surfacing in our relationships. The societal default is white superiority and we are fed a steady diet of it 24/7. To not actively seek to interrupt racism is to internalize and accept it. As part of my work I teach, lead and participate in affinity groups, facilitate workshops, and mentor other whites on recognizing and interrupting racism in our lives. As a facilitator, I am in a position to give white people feedback on how their unintentional racism is manifesting. This has allowed me to repeatedly observe several common patterns of response. The most common by far is outrage: How dare you suggest that I could have said or done something racist! Given the dominant conceptualization of racism as individual acts of cruelty, it follows that only terrible people who don’t like people of color can commit it. While this conceptualization is misinformed, it functions beautifully to protect racism by making it impossible to engage in the necessary dialogue and self-reflection that can lead to change. Outrage is often followed by righteous indignation about the manner in which the feedback was given. I have discovered (as I am sure have countless people of color) that there is apparently an unspoken set of rules for how to give white people feedback on racism. *** The Rules of Engagement After years of working with my fellow whites, I have found that the only way to give feedback correctly is not to give it at all. Thus, the first rule is cardinal: 1. Do not give me feedback on my racism under any circumstances. If you do, you break the cardinal rule: 2. Proper tone is crucial – feedback must be given calmly. If there is any emotion in the feedback, the feedback is invalid and does not have to be considered. 3. There must be trust between us. You must trust that I am in no way racist before you can give me feedback on my racism. 4. Our relationship must be issue-free – If there are issues between us, you cannot give me feedback on racism. 5. Feedback must be given immediately, otherwise it will be discounted because it was not given sooner. 6. You must give feedback privately, regardless of whether the incident occurred in front of other people. To give feedback in front of anyone else—even those involved in the situation—is to commit a serious social transgression. The feedback is thus invalid. 7. You must be as indirect as possible. To be direct is to be insensitive and will invalidate the feedback and require repair. 8. As a white person I must feel completely safe during any discussion of race. Giving me any feedback on my racism will cause me to feel unsafe, so you will need to rebuild my trust by never giving me feedback again. Point of clarification: when I say “safe” what I really mean is “comfortable.” 9. Giving me feedback on my racial privilege invalidates the form of oppression that I experience (i.e. classism, sexism, heterosexism). We will then need to focus on how you oppressed me. 10. You must focus on my intentions, which cancel out the impact of my behavior. 11. To suggest my behavior had a racist impact is to have misunderstood me. You will need to allow me to explain until you can acknowledge that it was your misunderstanding. These rules are rooted in white fragility. *** Their contradictions are irrelevant; their function is to obscure racism and protect white dominance and they do so very effectively. Yet from an understanding of racism as a system of unequal institutional power, we need to ask ourselves where these rules come from and who they serve. Many of us actively working to interrupt racism continually hear complaints about the “gotcha” culture of white anti-racism. There is a stereotype that we are looking for every incident we can find so we can spring out, point our fingers, and shout, “You’re a racist!” While certainly there are white people who arrogantly set themselves apart from other whites by acting in this way, in my experience over 20 years this is not the norm. It is far more common for sincere white people to agonize over when and how to give feedback to a fellow white person, given the ubiquitousness of white fragility. White fragility works to punish the person giving feedback and essentially bully them back into silence. It also maintains white solidarity—the tacit agreement that we will protect white privilege and not hold each other accountable for our racism. When the person giving the feedback is a person of color, the charge is “playing the race card” and the consequences of white fragility are much more penalizing. Racism is the norm rather than an aberration. Feedback is key to our ability to recognize and repair our inevitable and often unaware collusion. In recognition of this, I follow these guidelines: How, where, and when you give me feedback is irrelevant – it is the feedback I want and need. Understanding that it is hard to give, I will take it any way I can get it. From my position of social, cultural, and institutional white power and privilege, I am perfectly safe and I can handle it. If I cannot handle it, it’s on me to build my racial stamina. Thank you. The above guidelines rest on the understanding that there is no face to save and the jig is up; I know that I have blind spots and unconscious investments in white superiority. My investments are reinforced every day in mainstream society. I did not set this system up but it does unfairly benefit me and I am responsible for interrupting it. I need to work hard to recognize it myself, but I can’t do it alone. This understanding leads me to gratitude when others help me. In my workshops, I often ask the people of color, “How often have you given white people feedback on our unaware yet inevitable racism and had that go well for you?” Eye-rolling, head-shaking, and outright laughter follow, along with the general consensus of never. I then ask, “What would it be like if you could simply give us feedback, have us graciously receive it, reflect, and work to change the behavior?” Recently a man of color sighed and said, “It would be revolutionary.” I ask my fellow whites to consider the profundity of that response. Revolutionary that we would receive, reflect, and work to change the behavior. On the one hand, it points to how difficult and fragile we are. But on the other hand, how simple taking responsibility for our racism can be. White Fragility and the Rules of Engagement"

because he is a racist and is fragile about it

[Edited on October 28, 2015 at 10:49 AM. Reason : b]]

10/28/2015 10:44:48 AM

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"Except they are. You can back pedal and fall back on "society" is racist, but the underlying theme of everyone of these cop stories is 100% race, nothing else."

what is an acceptable percentage, then?

and all your rambling about "thugs" and "false-narratives" and "Soros" has an underlying theme of "that person isn't a good person/did a dumb thing therefore they deserve to be shot and killed"

you're perfectly fine with giving a cop the power to be judge/jury/executioner, which is a pretty great example of showing your white privilege

[Edited on October 28, 2015 at 10:54 AM. Reason : .]

10/28/2015 10:50:02 AM

"If you don't agree with me and my false-narrative, you're a racist"

10/28/2015 10:50:57 AM

you really like using catch phrases, dontcha? i wonder how many times you've repeated "false narrative" in the last few months? A few hundred? A few thousand?

10/28/2015 10:51:58 AM

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""hey, this group that is speaking up for the minorities want changes that will benefit everyone""

This "group" is owned by Liberal billionaire George Soros, who is also backing Clinton. Hence the Sanders interruption at Seattle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV-ZSP0zAuI

10/28/2015 10:56:14 AM

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"This "group" is owned by Liberal billionaire George Soros"

You probably don't wanna go around claiming a group of black people are owned by a white guy.

10/28/2015 11:03:01 AM

OSF has confirmed that they never gave money to Patrisse Cullors, Alicia Garza, and Opal Tometi

10/28/2015 11:19:20 AM

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"Mr. Zimmerman said OSF has been giving to these types of groups since its inception in the early ‘90s, and that, although groups involved in the protests have been recipients of Mr. Soros‘ grants, they were in no way directed to protest at the behest of Open Society. “The incidents, whether in Staten Island, Cleveland or Ferguson, were spontaneous protests — we don’t have the ability to control or dictate what others say or choose to say,” Mr. Zimmerman said. "

Because a $33 million dollar handout to various groups doesn't dictate anything. Since when has a transfer of wealth been used to influence someone, right??? But hey, criticizing billionaires for using blacks as political leverage is RACIST, right?

10/28/2015 11:49:38 AM

OSF has confirmed that they never gave money to Patrisse Cullors, Alicia Garza, and Opal Tometi

10/28/2015 1:25:40 PM

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"OSF has confirmed that they never gave money to Patrisse Cullors, Alicia Garza, and Opal Tometi"

No shit, why would they? Those 3 can claim to be the "founders" but when the BLM "movement" is essentially a bunch of angry people in a social media echo chamber it doesn't matter. $33 million to the echo chamber and protestors.

As if money allows others to influence and control... as if an election is coming up. Criticism of billionaires exploiting black activism = RACIST!!!!

10/28/2015 2:51:33 PM

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/10/27/prosecutor-wont-charge-cop-who-killed-white-teen-zachary-hammond

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"Prosecutor: No charges for officer who shot, killed teen in Seneca, S.C"

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" South Carolina police officer won't face local charges after he shot and killed 19-year-old Zachary Hammond during a drug Marijuana investigation last summer, a prosecutor said Tuesday."

Why is this not making national headlines? Why is the #BLM camp not up in arms about Zach Hammond being gunned down from police. From the video clearly the officer (with disregard to his own life) attempted to step in front of the vehicle AFTER the suspect attempted to flee.

Kinda sad that this story got overlooked but Khloe Kardassians relationship with her fuck buddy is a Top News story.

#AllLivesMatter

10/28/2015 5:00:00 PM

^ I think the video of the kid not caring if he ran the cop over doesn't really work in his favor.

10/28/2015 5:10:15 PM

Honestly imho if the kid didn't break the law (although i think Marijuana should be decriminalized) and cooperated with the police, he'd still be alive.

Regardless from the video it is clear that the kid was merely attempting to flee and the officer attempted to get in front of the vehicle after it started moving. As a "sting" operation, surely there were other officers on the scene to pursue the victim. After all this was a stop for fucking Marijuana, not a murder suspect.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/us/seneca-teen-dead-police-shooting/

#ALM

10/28/2015 5:15:33 PM

That video doesn't exist. At no point was the officer ever even close to being run over. When he fired he was beside and slightly behind the driver's side door. It would have been a hell of a trick for him to get run over from that position.

10/28/2015 5:15:56 PM

^ I dunno, when I watch the linked video, is see a guy perhaps not aiming directly for the cop with his car, but who is not at all concerned that he is about to hit an officer with his vehicle in the process of trying to evade capture. There are other ways to solve that situation without shooting someone, but using his weapon is a reasonable course of action there to me, especially considering that if someone wouldnt be opposed to running over a cop with a gun drawn to avoid arrest, what else might they do in the course of their escape?

There's a lot of liability there that warrants the police using his weapon I think.

It's been established over and over again in pretty much all gun debates that cars are just as much deadly weapons as guns if not more so.

This is different than the Marton/Brown/Crawford/Rice/etc cases where the perp wasn't wielding a weapon, and often wasn't acting aggressively towards anyway.

10/28/2015 5:54:58 PM

wrong thread.

10/28/2015 6:03:28 PM

Look, I'm not saying that he wasn't an idiot for trying to drive off, but again, at no point was that officer ever in any danger of being hit by that car. He fired from beside and behind the driver's side window.

Unless Hammon has one of those cool cars that can drive completely perpendicular from the direction the front of the car is facing that cop couldn't have been hit.

It's a completely senseless death over a fucking sting pot buy that the cops set up. Why are we even doing shit like this. It's like getting involved in a high speed pursuit over an expired tag. If you really feel like you needed to get this guy just wait a few days and arrest him on his way into work or when he's leaving his house.

The police do so much violent confrontation that isn't needed. Stop busting into bars for liquor license violations with SWAT teams, stop trying to shoot people for buying a 12 pack of beer, stop rolling into a controlled drug buy at 50mph with gun drawn.

Cops love to say "you can't outrun motorolla" and yet here we are, another unnecessary shooting.

10/28/2015 6:04:13 PM

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"I dunno, when I watch the linked video, is see a guy perhaps not aiming directly for the cop with his car, but who is not at all concerned that he is about to hit an officer with his vehicle in the process of trying to evade capture. There are other ways to solve that situation without shooting someone, but using his weapon is a reasonable course of action there to me, especially considering that if someone wouldnt be opposed to running over a cop with a gun drawn to avoid arrest, what else might they do in the course of their escape?"

I'm sure if the suspect were African-American moron would have a totally different attitude on this situation...

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"It's a completely senseless death over a fucking sting pot buy that the cops set up. Why are we even doing shit like this. It's like getting involved in a high speed pursuit over an expired tag. If you really feel like you needed to get this guy just wait a few days and arrest him on his way into work or when he's leaving his house."

Exactly.

Perhaps if the person presented a clear and present danger to the public, was a fugitive, murder suspect,
etc then even in this situation the use of force may have been warranted.

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"Cops love to say "you can't outrun motorolla" and yet here we are, another unnecessary shooting."

good call

#ALM


[Edited on October 28, 2015 at 7:02 PM. Reason : s]

10/28/2015 7:33:05 PM

lol



I wonder what Memphis, Cleveland, Baltimore, and Newark share in common....

10/28/2015 7:34:34 PM

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"I'm sure if the suspect were African-American moron would have a totally different attitude on this situation... "

Maybe, but i'm the only one here defending this white cop apparently... If this were a black guy killed, the only thing that would be different is that the cop would be able to sleep at night for killing a blackie. I'm sure he's torn up inside for killing one of his own

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" Quote : "It's a completely senseless death over a fucking sting pot buy that the cops set up. Why are we even doing shit like this. It's like getting involved in a high speed pursuit over an expired tag. If you really feel like you needed to get this guy just wait a few days and arrest him on his way into work or when he's leaving his house." Exactly. Perhaps if the person presented a clear and present danger to the public, was a fugitive, murder suspect, etc then even in this situation the use of force may have been warranted. "

Isn't the whole purpose of the cop using deadly force against someone wielding a vehicle as a deadly weapon to avoid the scenario of having to get into a car chase?

This guy already has demonstrated a disregard for life, the rule of law, and has used a deadly weapon aggressively. If the cops let him go, and he ended up doing some other crime, people would be attacking the cops for being negligent.

10/28/2015 7:54:38 PM

The only one with a disregard with life was the cop. I don't see that the suspect has that disregard. He simply attempted to flee the scene, which is not OK, but the point stands. The cop was in no danger until he made the choice to intercept the accelerating vehicle.

Unless I missed something I don't see the premise behind the "what if he escapes and commits more crime". We are talking about an entrepreneur managing the delivery of alternative herbal medicines

10/28/2015 8:01:17 PM

JCE2011, HUR, and aaroburro are great examples of the "I don't see color" and "'Who you calling a racist?'" groups in this article:

The new threat: 'Racism without racists'
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/26/us/ferguson-racism-or-racial-bias/index.html

[Edited on October 30, 2015 at 3:04 PM. Reason : .]

10/30/2015 3:03:53 PM

Nobody has denied systematic racism exists.

Everyone sees race and knows it is one factor of many. The trick is using your brain and knowing which factors deserve more weight. As I have been posting for a while, wealth is a much more relevant factor than the color of one's skin.

The problem is liberalism wants victims, and doesn't care about other factors because they want to paint a picture of racism. Hence all we see is race-based white on black violence in the media no matter how statistically unrepresentative it is of reality. It isn't about facts, it is about outrage and victimization. Without actual racists we have liberals using the vague scapegoat of "society". It is just pure stupidity and because they pretend to be the social justice warriors defending the victims, anyone who calls out their stupidity must be an evil racist bigot!

10/30/2015 4:29:25 PM

haha....I oppress because that person has less money than me!*

[Edited on October 30, 2015 at 5:09 PM. Reason : *which can also be assumed by race based on wealth distribution]

10/30/2015 5:08:39 PM

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"As I have been posting for a while, wealth is a much more relevant factor than the color of one's skin."

Not when it comes to callbacks for jobs, the sentencing disparity, the perception of maturity level of kids of different colors, and the punishment kids get in school.

10/30/2015 5:28:14 PM

Run- you die. (#WalterScott)

Stay & get arrested- you die. (#FreddieGray)

Lay down while handcuffed you die (#ericharris #OscarGrant)

Fight Back- you die (#TrayvonMartin)

Try to legally purchase a gun you die (#JohnCrawford)

Put your hands up you die (#MikeBrown)

Proclaim your innocence you die
(#EricGarner)

Getting Married you die (#SeanBell)

Pants Sagging you die (#ErvinEdwards)

Beg for your life you die (#ThaddeusMcCarroll)

Play in the park at 12-you die (#TamirRice)

Be outside you die (#RekiaBoyd)

Be at home chilling you die (#KathrynJohnston)

Run into your home- you die (#RamarleyGraham)

Injured asking for help you die (#JohnathanFerrell)

Minor traffic violation you die (#sandrabland)

Be in stairwell you die (#AkaiGurley)

INCASE PEOPLE FORGOT

10/30/2015 9:57:40 PM

I need all the answer so I came here. I hear a lot about this issue but the debate doesn't go far beyond these killings being justified or not. The loss of life regardless is enough to know something should change. So what is that something? Tell me how it gets fixed

10/30/2015 10:27:31 PM

Mass law enforcent reform. We need to rethink what police are and their job description. Then we need to mandate police training in conflict resolution, psychology as well as general people skills. Laws need to be in place to specifically limit an officers power and if they cannot be effective they should have to get a warrant before sending in special police forces to arrest someone who is potentially non compliant.

10/30/2015 10:42:36 PM

^^^ The majority of those are completely untrue and misrepresented, which has to be the case to further the false narrative.

If you are black you are more likely to be poor. If you are poor you are more likely to commit crime, if you are a criminal you are more likely to have interactions with the police, if you disobey police you are more likely to be shot.

Victim narrative = disregard all other factors, and match "black skin" to "killed by cop". Sensationalize in media with anti-cop rhetoric and let George Soros hand you $33 million.

11/1/2015 5:41:22 PM

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"If you are black you are more likely to be poor. If you are poor you are more likely to commit crime, if you are a criminal you are more likely to have interactions with the police, if you disobey police you are more likely to be shot. Victim narrative = disregard all other factors, and match "black skin" to "killed by cop". Sensationalize in media with anti-cop rhetoric and let George Soros hand you $33 million."

The first paragraph is still a problem. Systemic racism leaves blacks more vulnerable to all sorts of injustice but yes, it would be a more productive argument to say that police need to be reformed even though this sort of thing doesn't happen as often to poor, white, disobedient criminals.



You seem to have missed the part where a lot of these people in question are not poor or criminals which is what makes them sensational cases. Tamir rice and crawford didn't even have a chance to obey police. They were shot immediately. sandra bland and freddie gray died in complete police custody. obedience was not the issue.

[Edited on November 1, 2015 at 5:54 PM. Reason : k]

11/1/2015 5:52:31 PM

^bland is not a good example there. Compliance would have meant she wasn't in jail.

11/1/2015 9:47:39 PM

watch the dashcam video, man

11/1/2015 10:05:13 PM

the compliance angle doesn't (or shouldn't) apply to people who are in custody. That argument only holds a little weight when you can bring up the officers right to protect himself against the threat of the unknown. Any threat that presents itself to either the officer or the citizen after the arrest has been made is the officers responsibility/liability.

11/1/2015 10:06:30 PM

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" You seem to have missed the part where a lot of these people in question are not poor or criminals which is what makes them sensational cases."

Except the vast majority of them are. It’s almost as if being poor and committing crime leads to more interactions with police, rather than just having black skin?

It’s almost as if robbing a gas station and then fighting a cop is more likely to get you killed than having black skin?

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" Put your hands up you die (#MikeBrown)"

This was already proved to have never occurred. This is a false-narrative. It’s a great example of how liberals and the media don’t care about facts as long as the victim-narrative can be sensationalized. Yet the level of delusion is so high that we have Ferguson actually paying for a memorial for Brown. You break the law, and fight a cop, but because of liberalism you are now a hero because your skin was black and the cop was white. It is absolute infallible-victim idiocy.

11/2/2015 9:53:33 AM

false narrative, false narrative, false narrative, false narrative, false narrative, false narrative, false narrative, false narrative, false narrative, false narrative

false narrative

11/2/2015 10:13:17 AM

Why does JCE2011 get so mad about this?

11/2/2015 10:18:03 AM

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"liberals and the media "

fox news alert!

11/2/2015 10:20:43 AM

the situation he brings up the most happens to have happened in the town that was found to have horribly racist police practices

he also clings to it every time a ton of other cases are brought up

11/2/2015 11:23:01 AM