you posted some wikipedia entries of shit i already knew

why dont you define "true hip hop" if you say it died in the early 80s?

i mean i could say "true hip hop" died in the early 70s as soon as the first emcee came along since the original hip hop was kool herc spinning records at block parties in the bronx

course i would consider there to be plenty of true hip hop that has come out in the last year or two

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"and now that you're picking apart one little sentence it's obvious you have nothing to say"

dont blame me for knowing more about hip hop than the unspecific wikipedia shit you quoted

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"the hip hop genre transformed into that modern gangster rap stuff"

i would say 'party music' (sugarhill) --> 'social commentary of inequality' (gmf+f5)--> 'positive rap' (queen latifah) --> 'gangsta shit' (nwa) and 'militant social commentary' (pe) --> 'golden era/creative crime' (wu/bcc) --> 'materialistic' (big tymers)

course thats crass and is simply a generalization of hip-pop over the years...and takes into account nothing into account about music thats NOT radio friendly

[Edited on February 23, 2007 at 5:43 PM. Reason : .]

2/23/2007 5:38:08 PM

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" so because hockey has always had fighting that means its ok? more like it means hockey has always been a thug sport"

because in hockey there is no threat of the crowd getting involved.

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"Todd Bertuzzi is a great brawler"

no one has ever said that.

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" btw Shaq or Ben Wallace would BEAT THE EVER LIVING SHIT out of anybody in the NHL"

I'd like to see them take on Donald Brashear or Georges Laranque. Size actually hurts you in a hockey fight.

[qutoe]but hockey on the other hand...that sure is a popular sport! their ratings must even be higher than the nfl!

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Mark Cuban has already dispelled the myth that hockey has low ratings. In north america it has higher ratings than the NBA

2/23/2007 5:54:43 PM

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"In north america it has higher ratings than the NBA"

in the USA it doesnt

wow, canadians dont care about the nba if they dont live in toronto...what a shocker

2/23/2007 5:59:17 PM

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" in the USA it doesnt wow, canadians dont care about the nba if they dont live in toronto...what a shocker"

then don't talk about ratings. It is only fair that the same measuring stick that is used for movies is used with television.

2/23/2007 6:03:30 PM

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"btw Shaq or Ben Wallace would BEAT THE EVER LIVING SHIT out of anybody in the NHL"

didnt read the whole thread but...

THey would get murdered on ice you dumbshit

2/23/2007 6:06:43 PM

1) i'm pretty sure ben wallace and shaq can't skate
2) fighting is allowed in hockey because it is a physical sport, it is needed so that the other team doesn't take cheap shots at your stars...basketball has fouls to protect their players
3) someone said the ottawa goalie lost this fight, i now want to fight you, for the sake of this university and mankind

2/23/2007 6:16:28 PM

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"melees aren't breaking out in the arena. fans arent running onto the ice to get a piece of the players," "they would be if they didnt have barriers to prevent them from doing so" "

Making that statement shows how much of a flagrant douche you are. You say this as if you have some sort of basis for claiming that hockey players would be fighting in the stands. Im pretty sure they would not however, If you watch hockey fights most of them have a mutual agreement beforehand, and once someone hits the ice, its over; they have respect for each other, and Im fairly certain most not all, of the hockey fights have not been hate fueled enough to take it into the stands.

Im sick and tired of you playing the race card and shit everytime this argument comes up, which seems to be once a month. IT HAS NOTHING TO FUCKING DO WITH RACE YOU DUMB PIECE OF SHIT. People like you are what make me lose faith in humanity

2/23/2007 6:43:05 PM

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"Making that statement shows how much of a flagrant douche you are. You say this as if you have some sort of basis for claiming that hockey players would be fighting in the stands"

well considering i claimed the fans would be running onto the ice, and didnt make any mention of the players going into the stands, it looks like YOU are the flagrant douche since your whole argument was based on something you didnt understand in the first place

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"If you watch hockey fights most of them have a mutual agreement beforehand"

if you watch nba games, most of them dont have any fights or conflicts at all

its also rather humorous that 2 years after the artest incident (+/-) the fans still seem to get a free pass for their behavior

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"People like you are what make me lose faith in humanity"

its great that you lose faith in humanity based on your own misinterpretation of a phrase

[Edited on February 23, 2007 at 7:04 PM. Reason : .]

2/23/2007 6:57:58 PM

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"if you watch nba games, most of them dont have any fights or conflicts at all"

2/23/2007 7:03:31 PM

if you watch nba nhl games, most of them dont have any fights or conflicts at all

2/23/2007 10:18:28 PM

Doesn't every sport have a "conflict"

2/23/2007 10:22:40 PM

yeah and they're usually blown out of proportion by people who dont necessarily like that particular sport in the first place

2/23/2007 10:31:45 PM

Shit I agree I think that NBA shit has been blown way out of proportion. I don't see what the NHL has to do with that, though.

2/23/2007 10:38:56 PM

its just the double standard that gets annoying.

Its strange to hear a coach after a game praising his players for fighting, saying he doesn't give a shit if they lose 10 to 1, as long as they got back at them...

Now you tell me, is that the competitive nature of the sport or somebody acting as a "thug"?

2/23/2007 10:48:31 PM

i think when i think of the word "thug" one of the main things i think of is violence...I think some other people think of it as "hip hop urban"

2/23/2007 11:06:42 PM

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"..., but I would like to see those guys fight Georges Laraque or Pete Worrell Bob Probert back in his day."

fixed that for you.

and when nhl players start trying to get time off from playing in order to promote their rap albums, then we can start talking about them being thugs (minus bertuzzi of course).

[Edited on February 24, 2007 at 12:05 AM. Reason : d]

2/24/2007 12:05:28 AM

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"i think when i think of the word "thug" one of the main things i think of is violence...I think some other people think of it as "hip hop urban""

do you even watch rap videos? violence IS hip hop urban

2/24/2007 12:47:42 AM

^^when nba players get arrested for hiring a policeman to murder their gay lover, then we can start talking about them being thugs (minus artest of course)

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"do you even watch rap videos? violence IS hip hop urban"

you really are a dumbass arent you

THE NBA IS HEZBOLLAH

[Edited on February 24, 2007 at 12:49 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on February 24, 2007 at 12:51 AM. Reason : .]

2/24/2007 12:47:47 AM

i'm sorry, but if you don't think rap is about glorifying violence then i'm afraid you are one of the most dellusional people on the face of the planet

2/24/2007 12:51:39 AM

i think wikipedia has got you delusional or something cause you dont know what the fuck you're talking about

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" would say 'party music' (sugarhill) --> 'social commentary of inequality' (gmf+f5)--> 'positive rap' (queen latifah) --> 'gangsta shit' (nwa) and 'militant social commentary' (pe) --> 'golden era/creative crime' (wu/bcc) --> 'materialistic' (big tymers) "

and i didnt even add any type of underground or instrumental or deejay or all that VIOLENT breakdancing and spraypaint since you were trying to talk about real hip hop earlier

[Edited on February 24, 2007 at 12:53 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on February 24, 2007 at 12:59 AM. Reason : .]

2/24/2007 12:52:29 AM

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"I think it's important that the players take their end of it, get out of the prison garb and the thuggery aspect of basketball that has come along with hip-hop music in the last seven or eight years."

I guess phil jackson doesn't either

[Edited on February 24, 2007 at 1:10 AM. Reason : 1]

2/24/2007 1:10:04 AM

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"Early one mornin' while makin' the rounds I took a shot of cocaine and I shot my woman down I went right home and I went to bed I stuck that lovin' .44 beneath my head Got up next mornin' and I grabbed that gun Took a shot of cocaine and away I run Made a good run but I ran too slow They overtook me down in Juarez, Mexico Late in the hot joints takin' the pills In walked the sheriff from Jericho Hill He said Willy Lee your name is not Jack Brown You're the dirty heck that shot your woman down Said yes, oh yes my name is Willy Lee If you've got the warrant just a-read it to me Shot her down because she made me sore I thought I was her daddy but she had five more"

OMG that song glorifies violence and drug use!

Johnny Cash, and anyone who listens to Johnny Cash, is a thug!

2/24/2007 1:20:13 AM

bob probert was the fucking man at fighting, one of the top hockey fighters ever... he played for the red wings and pretty much his role on that team was to fuck opponents up

2/24/2007 1:56:06 AM

"I remember one time I went up to Stu Grimson, who is a born-again Christian, and I asked him how he could go out and beat the shit out of people for a living. He just looked at me and smiled and said, 'The Lord knows that this is just my job.'" - Mike Peluso

2/24/2007 1:57:34 AM

he had the best moniker ever

grimson, that is

and it fit

2/24/2007 2:10:08 AM

cue thread direction picture ---------->

2/24/2007 9:47:10 AM

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"because in hockey there is no threat of the crowd getting involved."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QECEsZVrbMA

only in philly

2/24/2007 10:16:50 AM

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"bob probert was the fucking man at fighting, one of the top hockey fighters ever... he played for the red wings and pretty much his role on that team was to fuck opponents up"

yeah probert could fight. tie domi was always trying to fight his ass

definitely one of the best

[Edited on February 24, 2007 at 12:57 PM. Reason : /]

2/24/2007 12:53:40 PM

That clip was way too short. It makes it look like Domi started the thing which he didn't. Funny none the less.

2/24/2007 1:07:40 PM

here's a good goalie fight between steve shields and garth snow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41T7sEn7F5s

2/24/2007 5:28:31 PM

for a good goalie fight, see cloutier vs. salo and the NYI bench

[Edited on February 24, 2007 at 5:51 PM. Reason : oops]

2/24/2007 5:51:05 PM

i always liked this a lot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZMEE7tlq6A

2/24/2007 6:43:59 PM

another one of my favorite fights:

vernon vs. roy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5D7iHruPFI

aka: roy gets the shit kicked out of him

2/24/2007 7:08:47 PM

I know I'm gonna end up deleting this shit. But in the mean time...

2/24/2007 8:18:24 PM

wow, what happened to this thread :O

anyways, lol @ Ruff being fined $10,000

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/hockey/nhl/02/24/bc.hkn.sabres.rufffined.ap/index.html

2/24/2007 10:43:05 PM

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"for a good goalie fight, see cloutier vs. salo and the NYI bench"

2/25/2007 4:32:02 AM

The logic being used in this thread to legitimize fighting "as a part of a sport" is sad.

Look, fighting happens. But its not a part of any sport.

Its a result of competition and adrenaline. Anytime you get a bunch of people in a field/court/rink in a heated game with high stakes, tempers may get lost and athletes may resort to playing dirty. Anytime someone gets a cheap shot or is flagrantly fouled, a natural reaction may be to fight. I'm not saying its right. It just happens.

Fighting happens occasionally in all sorts of sports. Hockey, football, basketball sometimes, even baseball. I don't think NBA players are thugs because of a lapse in judgement in ONE game. I don't think Nolan Ryan and Robin Ventura are thugs. Nor do I think NHL players are thugs. Fighting doesn't happen all that much and has been sensationalized.

2/26/2007 10:47:15 AM

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"That clip was way too short. It makes it look like Domi started the thing which he didn't. Funny none the less."

if you didnt know any better you might think Ron Artest started the Pacers Pistons incident, which he didn't

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"You say this as if you have some sort of basis for claiming that hockey players would be fighting in the stands"

lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QECEsZVrbMA

pwnt

FIGHTING IN THE STANDS OR WITH FANS IS BEYOND THESE CLASSY HOCKEY PLAYERS, HOW DARE YOU EVEN INSINUATE THIS

2/26/2007 11:35:31 AM

beardawg, take that shit off or suspend yourself

2/26/2007 11:40:41 AM

twista, i see what you're saying

but that wasn't in the stands, that was in the penalty box and any fan dumb enough to attack a player (especially one known as a fighter) while in the penalty box needs the beat down

as much as i think domi is an assclown, that shit was hilarious

2/26/2007 11:48:35 AM

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"and any fan dumb enough to attack a player (especially one known as a fighter) while in the penalty box needs the beat down "

but any fan who throws a half empty cup of beer on an nba players face doesnt deserve it?

i'm just pointing out the extremely obvious double standard

2/26/2007 11:50:06 AM

the difference here is the fan brought the fight to the player, on the playing surface

the pacers incident, THEY brought the fight to the fan in the stands

and they should be better than that

^ to answer the question, yes they do deserve it, but if i remember correctly there were other fans there that didn't that wound up in the middle of a melee. it doesn't really matter anyway because there are always isolated incidences. the players involved there got punished, the fans that could be identified got punished and everybody moved on. that level of shit hasn't happened before or since that i know of...

[Edited on February 26, 2007 at 11:54 AM. Reason : *]

2/26/2007 11:52:49 AM

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"the difference here is the fan brought the fight to the player, on the playing surface the pacers incident, THEY brought the fight to the fan in the stands "

the pacers incident started when a fan threw the ass end of his beer at artest (who was lying on the scorers table) and it happened to hit him in the face...so I would say the fan brought the fight to the player

let alone there were other fans who just came out on the court like the guy jermaine oneal dropped (on the court)

the 2 incidents are very similar actually...just one gets blown out of proportion because its overpaid thugs, the other "who cares, its hockey"

2/26/2007 12:01:28 PM

If you want to cite an actual hockey fight with fans then the Ty Domi thing was not it considering Domi really only restrained the guy as opposed to fighting him. Here is a real hockey player vs. fan moment.

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"In an infamous December 26, 1979 incident at Madison Square Garden, during a post-game scrum, a New York Rangers fan stole Stan Jonathan's stick and and hit him with it. [Terry] O'Reilly charged into the stands, and his teammates followed when other fans tried to intervene. He was suspended eight games for his part in the brawl."

(this came from wiki)
There is video of this around somewhere. Funny as hell to see. Granted this was more old school hockey but validates that hockey players do indeed fight fans.

[Edited on March 2, 2007 at 12:03 AM. Reason : .]

3/2/2007 12:02:46 AM