good god. the amount of cocksuckery towards Ace towing in here is fucking ridiculous. They are an evil company that preys on college aged people, very often illegally. They get away with it because most people just end up paying the fine, which they often don't deserve, instead of challenging them in some way.

10/9/2007 8:53:51 AM

and fuck lake johnson mews too. i live there, and the apartment manager is a royal bitch.

10/9/2007 8:55:21 AM

sounds like they stole the cars to me / you should have reported them as such

10/9/2007 8:56:06 AM

Yea, Ace is all levels of shady. When I lived in Gorman St. Village they towed my car in the place that I lived. They said I was parked illegally and so I called my landlord and said, 'You get my car released or I'm taking it to court with a photocopy of the map you gave me with my lease of the parking places.'


My car was released and I paid no fine. I also told the guy working at ACE that he was a prick and if there was even a scratch on my car from his half-assed towing company he'd hear back from me.

10/9/2007 8:56:14 AM

nm

[Edited on October 9, 2007 at 8:56 AM. Reason : nm]

10/9/2007 8:56:21 AM

the fact that you're doing something about it is good

your attitude is fucking ridiculous

10/9/2007 8:58:21 AM

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"this was a TKE-hosted fraternity party that they boast to be their biggest of the year"

so how many people were parked in the parking lot? 10-12 friends in ~6-7 cars or a lot more people in 20+ cars?

10/9/2007 9:46:35 AM

next time i will be SURE to take my pen and paper out and count .

It does not matter if it was a Grandma Cookie Baking Club across the street with a few old ladies parking their Cadillacs and Lincolns at Foodlion.
Foodlion did not following Raleigh predatory towing laws by having a sign properly display their parking regulation besides those who are "Wolfline Riders." Simple deduction skills would recognized that this did not apply on a Saturday night. They furthermore did not list who does the towing and how they can be contacted. DIRECTLY violating Raleigh predatory laws. If it had been my car I would have called 911 had the RPD file a report for Grand Theft Auto with teh ACE towing truck driving hopefully sitting in prison taking it in the ass by Bubba by the end of the week.

10/9/2007 9:59:00 AM

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"so how many people were parked in the parking lot? 10-12 friends in ~6-7 cars or 20+ cars?"

were half of them towing vehicles behind their car???

10/9/2007 10:06:50 AM

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"so how many people were parked in the parking lot? 10-12 friends in ~6-7 cars or 20+ cars?"

reading comprehension is key, g. although I suppose it could be taken as 10-12 people in 6-7 cars or 10-12 people in 20 cars.

[Edited on October 9, 2007 at 10:09 AM. Reason : ]

10/9/2007 10:08:46 AM

^^ what does the word "or" mean to you? i didn't say was it 10-12 friends driving 20 cars...are you retarded?

it clearly meant was it just his friends - the 10-12 ppl in a few cars - or a lot of other people he neglected to mention in many more cars

listen to ^

10/9/2007 10:10:18 AM

omar figured it out!!! the 10-12 friends who rode together in the 6-7 cars were actually towing cars behind them. These cars hitched onto the back were effectively blocking the driving aisles along the parking rows and encroached on fire hydrant laws.

10/9/2007 10:10:25 AM

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"were half of them towing vehicles behind their car??? "

lmao

10/9/2007 10:15:52 AM

btw i took pictures of every single sign located in foodlion that mentions towing. I will post them on here tonight when i get home.

10/9/2007 10:17:02 AM

saturday -> tuesday

how close is anyone to getting their money back

10/9/2007 10:18:15 AM

more like sunday -> Tuesday.

actually progress is being made. sorry omar unlike all the nay-sayers in here who thinks foodlion can do what the fuck ever they feel like doing there is something called laws; therefore we can not just go in there with a gun and demand to get everyones towing fee back. We have to follow legal procedures kinda like if food lion would have followed legal procedure in effectively displaying its towing policies and who does the towing; then no one would have a right to bitch.

10/9/2007 10:22:14 AM

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"btw i took pictures of every single sign located in foodlion that mentions towing. I will post them on here tonight when i get home."

so did it specify outer perimeter? that's all I want to know.

and i'll quote myself twice from the first page before you start yelling at me again

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"it does need to have the towing company on there though...that's one thing i do agree with."

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"I'm not saying that this isn't fucked up..."

10/9/2007 10:28:02 AM

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" so did it specify outer perimeter? that's all I want to know."

yes as pertaining to WolfLine Riders

10/9/2007 10:34:03 AM

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"just go in there with a gun and demand to get everyones towing fee back"

i highly suggest this method

10/9/2007 10:35:46 AM

a reasonable person would clearly expect that anyone can park there - unless you were going to ride the wolfline - those special people that are going to ride the wolfline must strictly adhere to parking rules - anyone not riding the wolfline has free reign to do as they please....

furthermore - ace towing keeps an up-to-date wolfline schedule at all times and distributes it to their drivers

oh i definitely see your point now....

[Edited on October 9, 2007 at 10:46 AM. Reason : fixed it for smath ]

10/9/2007 10:37:35 AM

The sign does specify Wolfline riders. Since when does wolfline pick up people in that location on saturday nights?

10/9/2007 10:37:58 AM

A reasonable person would assume that Food Lion wouldn't give two shits about who parks in the lot WHEN THEY AREN'T EVEN OPEN at night, especially since there were not any "No overnight parking" signs.

10/9/2007 10:39:42 AM

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"a reasonable person would clearly expect that anyone can park there"

furthermore someone could easily reason that the policy was enacted to ensure customer parking availability during peak shopping times during the week not at 1 am Sunday morning when the store is closed.

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"ace towing keeps an up-to-date wolfline schedule "

supposedly it was the closing manager that called it in. so for once ACE towing was just doing its job in a shady cock-sucking kinda way

[Edited on October 9, 2007 at 10:49 AM. Reason : l]

10/9/2007 10:48:34 AM

keep us up-to-date on your actions. id like to know what you do to correct this issue.

10/9/2007 11:05:51 AM

^^It is still the responsibility of the towing company to ensure that all of their tows are made legally. If they were misdirected by a Food Lion employee that is between Ace and the Food Lion employee.

10/9/2007 11:09:48 AM

10/9/2007 11:32:29 AM

10/9/2007 11:40:30 AM

if there is no sign posted to inform people how to get their car back, it's illegal to tow. some of you assholes need to get a clue.

10/9/2007 11:46:23 AM

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"all the nay-sayers in here who thinks foodlion can do what the fuck ever they feel like doing there is something called laws; therefore we can not just go in there with a gun and demand to get everyones towing fee back. We have to follow legal procedures kinda like if food lion would have followed legal procedure in effectively displaying its towing policies and who does the towing; then no one would have a right to bitch."

This is pretty funny coming from a guy who thinks that driving greater than the speed limit is OK, underage drinking is OK, and illegally downloading music is OK.

10/9/2007 12:19:18 PM

i am sure we are all smart enough to see the difference between driving 70 in a 65, a 19 year old sipping on a beer on a friday evening, and a company who illegally had multiple peoples cars towed without even providing the location of where the car was taken or appropriate signing indicating their towing policies.

I guess if I advocate riding in my car without a seatbelt then I have no reason to be upset if I go to the bar and have a guy assault one of my friends.

10/9/2007 12:36:27 PM

We can't seem to stay on topic here anymore, and some of you are just making wooden and often incongruent references.

We're beating a dead horse at this point. HUR it's generally a good practice NOT to park in a lot when the business is closed.

HOWEVER, by law they're supposed to have a visible sign addressing towing and have a number to contact.

Food Lion/ACE failed to do such. This allows you take legal recourse.

10/9/2007 12:42:40 PM

^ good call

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10/9/2007 12:53:16 PM

http://www.wral.com/5onyourside/

10/9/2007 1:07:33 PM

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"good god. the amount of cocksuckery towards Ace towing in here is fucking ridiculous. They are an evil company that preys on college aged people, very often illegally. They get away with it because most people just end up paying the fine, which they often don't deserve, instead of challenging them in some way."

10/9/2007 1:30:21 PM

^^^^^

I just think it's interesting to see what laws you think are bullshit and which ones you want rigorously enforced.

The general trend seems to be if it's something you do, it's OK. Otherwise it's the most egregious thing ever.

10/9/2007 1:59:30 PM

^ my point exactly.
apparently my input wasn't clear earlier. i'm not trying to insinuate frat-bashing, i just want to point out why these cars were parked at food lion and not somewhere else where it is clear whether they could park there or not.

10/9/2007 2:48:12 PM

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"i am sure we are all smart enough to see the difference between driving 70 in a 65, a 19 year old sipping on a beer on a friday evening, and a company who illegally had multiple peoples cars towed without even providing the location of where the car was taken or appropriate signing indicating their towing policies."

potentially damaging the auto in the process, stranding multiple people at 3am, and cost people lots of money. Sorry A Tanzariandouchebag this isn't even about me.



besides the issues is not rather we should be able to park there, it is that fact that Food Lion and Ace Towing broke predatory towing laws by removing the cars from the lot w/o following proper Raleigh Ordinance. Really does not matter if people parked at Food Lion to go to a anal orgy across the street, grandma's cookie club, fantasy football league, or to smoke crack in the woods.

Did you all know that I can actually show to your apt. call in the tow company and have them tow your car in your own parking space based on a claim that it is my parking spot. But guess what when you go to claim your car from the tow lot and find out i am the reason you were towed my ass is liable in court.

[Edited on October 9, 2007 at 2:58 PM. Reason : l]

10/9/2007 2:56:15 PM

has anyone posted a link to the predatory parking laws? im interested in reading them, but i dont feel like reading 4 pages of bickering.

[Edited on October 9, 2007 at 3:02 PM. Reason : d]

10/9/2007 2:58:47 PM

I did somewhere on page 2

10/9/2007 3:10:59 PM

hmmm...i see a news article, not the law. maybe im missing something.

[Edited on October 9, 2007 at 3:13 PM. Reason : d]

10/9/2007 3:12:54 PM

The news article is on the Raleigh ordinance which is law. Also WRAL loves doing stories on this type of crap and the mayor loves the good PR he gets bashing it and taking action against it. I really hope the thread starter has sent a letter to mayor meekers office as well as 5 on your side.

10/9/2007 3:16:52 PM

ok, so you didnt post the actual law. im not looking for an article about the law. thanks though.



[Edited on October 9, 2007 at 3:21 PM. Reason : d]

10/9/2007 3:20:28 PM

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" Sec. 12-7015. IMPROPER TOWING. (a) It is a misdemeanor offense to tow a motor vehicle from a lot that is subject to the provisions of N.C.G.S 20-219.2 unless the lot and individual parking spaces are properly designated as mandated by that statute. (b) Any towing or storage firm engaged in the business of providing non-consensual motor vehicle towing services shall not charge the owner or operator of the towed vehicle in excess of one hundred dollars ($100.00) for the non-consensual removal of the motor vehicle or in excess of twenty dollars ($20.00) per day for storage fees; however, no storage fees shall be charged for the first twenty-four (24) hour time period from the time the vehicle is removed from the property. The fee of one hundred dollars ($100.00) shall be all inclusive. The fees referred to in this section shall be payable by cash, debit card or major national credit card at no extra cost. Failure to accept credit or debit cards for payment is a violation of this section and is punishable as a misdemeanor. No additional fees may be charged for using dollies, trailers, lifts, Slim jims or any other equipment or service. However, the maximum fees in this section shall not apply to the non-consensual towing of vehicles weighing in excess of two (2) tons. Non-consensual towing fees and storage rates shall be established biannually by the City Council . (c) The operator of any wrecker removing a private vehicle at the request of anyperson, other than a police officer on duty shall report to the Raleigh Police Department the fact that the vehicle was towed and its present storage space, together with a description of the vehicle and the tag number. The report shall be made by telephonic communication within one hour after the vehicle is deposited at the storage site. Any person, operating an impound lot within the City shall maintain an attendant on call twenty-four (24) hours every day capable of acknowledging requests for vehicle release within fifteen (15) minutes of receiving a call and of releasing the vehicle within forty-five minutes (45) of receiving the call. The attendant shall be clothed with the authority to release any vehicle upon the legal conditions of release being fulfilled. Lighting in the lot shall be provided at a minimum average maintained footcandle value of two (2) at the surface level. Vehicles towed shall be secured in a fenced storage lot within the City and in such a manner as to keep the vehicles safe from harm. All tow trucks performing non-consensual tows shall display the name and telephone number of the towing company on each side of the tow truck. (d) The operator of any tow truck summoned to tow away any vehicle in a non-consensual towingshall not tow the vehicle away and shall release the vehicle for a charge not to exceed fifty (50) per cent of the non-consensual towing rate set out in paragraph (b) herein if the operator of the vehicle returns prior to the tow truck having left the location to which summoned and moves the vehicle immediately and prior to the tow truck having left the location to which it was summoned. The tow truck operator shall permit the owner of a towed vehicle to remove personal property from a vehicle in the custody of the tow truck operator without any charges or fees. If the tow truck operator has removed personal property from the vehicle it shall be returned to the owner of the property at no charge upon request made to the tow truck operator. "

10/9/2007 3:29:43 PM

http://www.municode.com/resources/gateway.asp?pid=10312&sid=33

^ha, well here's the link at least

[Edited on October 9, 2007 at 3:34 PM. Reason : beat me to it]

10/9/2007 3:34:01 PM

I can't find anything mandating that signs be posted on lots that cars are towed from.

10/9/2007 3:35:19 PM

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"Sec. 12-7015. IMPROPER TOWING. (a) It is a misdemeanor offense to tow a motor vehicle from a lot that is subject to the provisions of N.C.G.S 20-219.2 unless the lot and individual parking spaces are properly designated as mandated by that statute."

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"§ 20-219.2. Removal of unauthorized vehicles from private lots. (a) It shall be unlawful for any person other than the owner or lessee of a privately owned or leased parking space to park a motor or other vehicle in such private parking space without the express permission of the owner or lessee of such space; provided, that such private parking lot be clearly designated as such by a sign no smaller than 24 inches by 24 inches prominently displayed at the entrance thereto and the parking spaces within the lot be clearly marked by signs setting forth the name of each individual lessee or owner; a vehicle parked in a privately owned parking space in violation of this section may be removed from such space upon the written request of the parking space owner or lessee to a place of storage and the registered owner of such motor vehicle shall become liable for removal and storage charges. Any person who removes a vehicle pursuant to this section shall not be held liable for damages for the removal of the vehicle to the owner, lienholder or other person legally entitled to the possession of the vehicle removed; however, any person who intentionally or negligently damages a vehicle in the removal of such vehicle, or intentionally or negligently inflicts injury upon any person in the removal of such vehicle, may be held liable for damages. (b) Any person violating any of the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor and upon conviction shall be only fined not more than ten dollars ($10.00) in the discretion of the court. (c) This section shall apply only to the Counties of Craven, Dare, Forsyth, Gaston, Guilford, New Hanover, Orange, Robeson, Wake, Wilson and to the Cities of Durham, Jacksonville, Charlotte and Fayetteville. (1969, cc. 173, 288; 1971, c. 986; 1973, c. 183; c. 981, s. 1; c. 1330, s. 36; 1975, c. 575; 1979, c. 380; 1979, 2nd Sess., c. 1119; 1981 (Reg. Sess., 1982), c. 1251, s. 3; 1989, c. 417, c. 644, s. 1; 1993, c. 539, s. 383; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c).)"

10/9/2007 3:40:45 PM

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"potentially damaging the auto in the process..."

As I said, I just think that it's interesting that you take a very liberal view with respect to certain laws, yet you scream bloody murder when others take equally liberal views with different laws (e.g. Louise the "stupid dumb cunt"), or don't strictly adhere to the "ATTN WOLFLINE RIDERS" sign.

Certainly, not having a sign about how to contact the towing company is illegal. I'm not even arguing that the towing was legal. However, a property owner (or lessee) having vehicles towed from their property (illegal or not) at a time when there are clearly no customers in the store is hardly the belligerent action you make it out to be.

Contrast that with, say, Johnson Mews (or whatever apartment complex that was) which towed on short notice vehicles belonging to lessees with an unquestionable legal right to park in their lot. Or your example, where you--with no legal right or claim to either my car or the property it is parked on--have my car towed.

Again, my only point was that I thought it funny that you--who decries so many laws as being unfair, or stupid, or legislating morality, or whatever--is so up in arms about other's lax views of the law.

10/9/2007 3:44:35 PM

i love threads like this. they reveal all the pussies of the wolfweb who would bend over and take it in the ass from anyone instead of taking a stand against someone who has obviously wronged them. hope your friends get their money back, HUR.

10/9/2007 3:54:34 PM

I hope he gets his money back as well, I hate towing companies, but his attitude in regards to the whole thing is pretty shitty and he probably should have used better judgment.

10/9/2007 4:38:36 PM

threads like this just show how many retarded people are on TWW. everytime someone posts a thread where they got fucked over, like 20 posters jump on it to start posting how "you should have obeyed the rules, stop whining" or something ridiculous.

10/9/2007 4:38:57 PM