Navy? I don't think they would be willing to give up their indy status though. They are pretty weak in basketball and football currently too.

9/18/2011 3:06:44 PM

LOL wut?

9/18/2011 3:10:03 PM

If Navy is the best we can do, we should just stick with 14 teams.

9/18/2011 3:11:16 PM

Yeah. I agree about that. Mostly just wondering.

9/18/2011 3:18:01 PM

Yeah, conference expansion is supposed to be about strengthening the conference, not weakening.

There are multiple high schools in NC that have put more players in the NBA than Navy.

9/18/2011 3:19:16 PM

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"Uconn is likely, they want in. They are good at basketball and pretty decent in football since they moved up. Overall seems to be pretty solid. I don't know much about their academics however."

uconn just lost their football coach, jim calhoun is going to either retire or die in the next three years and uconn has no fans. uconn does not bring a single thing to the table, and will be another boston college by the time they actually join the conference.

[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 3:24 PM. Reason : .]

9/18/2011 3:23:57 PM

^that's my thinking as well.

9/18/2011 3:27:08 PM

oh my god and we'd have to hear about womens basketball even more than we do now.

i couldn't be more out on uconn.

9/18/2011 3:30:49 PM

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"Of course it'll be nowhere near the event that the Big East tourney (R.I.P.) is, with only one real fan base in the area But oh my god oh my god"

I was thinking about this too. Maybe you could rotate the event among the ACC states? It could rotate between NY, Boston, Philly, D.C, Atlanta, Greensboro (big time city, baby!), Miami. It would be a pretty good sell on recruits to tell them that they would play their conference tourny in pro-city arenas every year and could be a pretty decent draw.


Also, I'm having fun watching people with the word redneck in their name grumble over the addition of yankee schools. The ACC would be digging their own grave if it tried to compete with the SEC. Going northeast was really the only viable option, and getting a foot on the eastern seaboard is probably good for the conference.

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"uconn does not bring a single thing to the table, and will be another boston college by the time they actually join the conference."

BC has gone 54-25 since joining the ACC in football and have been to the sweet sixteen more recently than we have. They've also been to more ACC championships games in football and basketball than NC State has during that same timeframe. I'm not sure why people think they've done nothing for the conference. Anyway, the point is, UConn would be a great addition to the ACC and it wouldn't expand the geographic footprint like a Texas would, and they wouldn't want to fuck over the other conference members the same way Texas would

[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 3:44 PM. Reason : ]

9/18/2011 3:31:55 PM

don't dismiss a WNBA factory

9/18/2011 3:32:00 PM

I doubt charlotte would be removed from the ACC tournament rotation

9/18/2011 3:35:07 PM

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"BC has gone 54-25 since joining the ACC in football and have been to the sweet sixteen more recently than we have. They've also been to more ACC championships games in both football and basketball than NC State has during that same timeframe. I'm not sure why people think they've done nothing for the conference."

yeah i don't know either.

9/18/2011 3:43:25 PM

then blame the fans, not the school. the school is winning games. And wasn't that game played in Jacksonville? That's a long commute for either school. Maybe those games should be played in Charlotte or somewhere more central where its not too cold?

[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 4:00 PM. Reason : i guess not ATL since the SEC has that one]

9/18/2011 3:45:51 PM

the fans are apart of the school. if the school doesn't have any fans, then i don't want the school. i don't care if this is somehow unfair to a university. maybe someday unicef will get into the college sports business, but until then uconn and boston college can sit themselves down in the A10 as far as i'm concerned.

9/18/2011 4:00:35 PM

would you want to kick out duke if they got good at football? what about wake forest?






2006 ACC championship game. Wake Forest vs. Georgia Tech. Real fire-hazard, this one

[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 4:24 PM. Reason : ]

9/18/2011 4:01:09 PM

that is what i said.

kicking out small schools that were founding members of the conference is the same thing as not wanting to invite a new small school in storrs, connecticut.

9/18/2011 4:03:31 PM

Charlotte would be a good area, as would DC (or where ever the redskins stadium is) for the ACC champ game.

9/18/2011 4:05:54 PM

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"Yeah, conference expansion is supposed to be about strengthening the conference, not weakening. "

Well, we're adding Pitt, Syracuse, and maybe UConn, so I think that boat has sailed.

9/18/2011 4:08:00 PM

pitt is a rock solid addition. syracuse is an okay addition.

9/18/2011 4:09:49 PM

^^because navy regularly makes the sweet 16.

[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM. Reason : carrot]

9/18/2011 4:10:43 PM

^^ How can you argue about fanbases and then in the same breath say Pitt is a good addition?

I think they are but they have one of the worst traveling fanbases in football...

9/18/2011 4:12:06 PM

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"kicking out small schools that were founding members of the conference is the same thing as not wanting to invite a new small school in storrs, connecticut."

I'm just trying to figure out your logic. So you're willing to grandfather-in small schools for traditions sake, but adding new schools who have just as, if not more reliable fanbases is a no-go? Look, very few ACC teams travel well for football. VT, us, fsu, and Clemson are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head. We aren't the SEC, but I think adding UConn/Pitt/Syracuse makes us a more stable conference overall for both sports, so I don't really understand the resistance considering those schools are strong performers in each sport (well, maybe not cuse) -- they just don't travel that well. But then, who in the ACC does?

[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 4:18 PM. Reason : ]

9/18/2011 4:12:10 PM

^^^ In terms of football, Pitt are like a Georgia Tech. Forever and always will be a bastard #2 to the main school in the state.

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"^^The same UCF who gives every ACC team they play a run for their money? I think their biggest flaw who be their academics."

well we have Miami

[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 4:13 PM. Reason : .]

9/18/2011 4:12:14 PM

this looks to be helping bball more than anything but that's fine with me

9/18/2011 4:13:58 PM

^^^ yes. wake is a tiny school, but it's our tiny school. uconn is not our responsibility, i don't know why we'd want to make it ours.

us being the acc, not nc state.

^^ i would add a second georgia tech in a heartbeat, so that's not swaying me off of pitt. and miami has excellent academics. what are you talking about?

[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 4:17 PM. Reason : /]

9/18/2011 4:15:57 PM

^^^
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/university-of-miami-1536

[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 4:16 PM. Reason : ]

9/18/2011 4:16:34 PM

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"^^ i would add a second georgia tech in a heartbeat, so that's not swaying me off of pitt."

They're a B school in the state to Georgia, always have been, always will be, as is Pitt to Penn State, and Georgia Tech is a historically poor drawing fanbase.

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"and miami has excellent academics. what are you talking about?"

Yes. When I look at their football team and a booster paying off dozens of athletes over multiple years I see excellent academics. Academics in college sports in 2011 is such a complete bullshit reason and answer for anything that occurs.

[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 4:20 PM. Reason : /]

9/18/2011 4:19:41 PM

Syracuse and UConn actually travel pretty well all things considered. Pitt does for basketball as well, but they are horrid for football. They had like 300 people at the Tangerine Bowl when Antonio Bryant ran train all over us.

Comparing any of those schools fanbases to Boston College is completely unfair and disingenuous.

[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 4:21 PM. Reason : x]

9/18/2011 4:21:24 PM

do the UCF players carry handguns to their games? seems a little much for me

9/18/2011 4:24:24 PM

based on 2010 home attendance numbers for comparison, Pitt's about the size of ECU for home attendance and ECU is larger than Syracuse by 25%, so the revenue is going from a 8.33% split to a 7.14% split for the existing 12 schools in the conference to add two schools that based on the support for their football program since all this expansion is supposedly based on football are worth 1.8 ECUs combined

[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 4:28 PM. Reason : /]

9/18/2011 4:25:43 PM

yeah, but when you take STDs into account, the numbers change drastically

9/18/2011 4:27:55 PM

Are you arguing for ECU or against Pitt or what

9/18/2011 4:28:29 PM

I would think anyone who has been paying attention to UNC football would know attendance numbers are a crock of shit.

9/18/2011 4:29:08 PM

^^^^
Did the ACC announce they are going to start sharing gate receipts, and stop selling TV rights?

9/18/2011 4:32:48 PM

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"pitt is a rock solid addition. syracuse is an okay addition."

Hopefully Syracuse can stay crappy in football and then they would be a great addition. Part of the problem with the ACC is that it is a bunch of average football schools that beat each other. It's best for the league when you have 1, or 2 dominate teams who can stay in the top 10 every year (see SEC).

9/18/2011 4:33:51 PM

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"since all this expansion is supposedly entirely based on football"

i am glad that swofford and the school presidents realize that while it was imperative to expand in order to survive, that the ACC has always been a power basketball conference and a mediocre football conference. that isn't going to change no matter what 2-4 schools were added (unless they watered down basketball again).



i don't want uconn, calhoun is either going to retire, die or get caught doing something super shady within the next 3 years. they will be like UM football post-ACC expansion.

9/18/2011 4:34:48 PM

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"Well, we're adding Pitt, Syracuse, and maybe UConn, so I think that boat has sailed."

LOL, Pittsburgh isn't strengthening the conference? I could see Syracuse being a wash since they've been stinking up the football field for at least the past decade. But both bring elite basketball programs. And nobody in their right mind wants UConn.

9/18/2011 4:35:36 PM

I want UConn.


It's not like they didn't just win the NCAA tourny and go to the Fiesta Bowl in one calender year, or anything. Sure, they got worked, but they're a young program who could potentially be a good team if they were in a solid conference. Losing Edsall hurts, but they could fit right in with the ACC teams, in my opinion.

Not to mention, Calhoun, Boheim, coach K, Roy Williams, and up-and coming coaches would make the ACC THE destination for top flight coaches.

also, I want to be able to relive this from time to time:


[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 4:59 PM. Reason : ]

9/18/2011 4:36:29 PM

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"They're a B school in the state to Georgia, always have been, always will be, as is Pitt to Penn State"

who fucking cares?

texas a&m is a b school in the state of texas
oklahoma state is a b school in the state of oklahoma
michigan state is a b school in the state of michigan
nc state is a d school in the state of north carolina
ucla is a b school in the state of california

you see where i'm going w/ this? just b/c penn state exists doesn't make pitt a bad conference member.

9/18/2011 4:37:14 PM

I think Louisville is the most attractive of the remaining Big East schools

9/18/2011 4:40:31 PM

I hope not. I'll gag if we have to deal with Louisville fans every year or two.

9/18/2011 4:44:02 PM

I'm gonna go tutor some wv students so we can add them

9/18/2011 4:46:31 PM

I kind of feel bad for all the schools that now have to scramble to preserve their future nows, I'm sure the AD at louisville is going to have to talk to every conf this week to desperately get something done and prob about 10 or so schools might get screwed, also don't know wtf the big east bball schools are gonna do



[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 4:53 PM. Reason : k]

9/18/2011 4:49:26 PM

guys we don't want louisville, they're a second rate school to UK in the state of kentucky.

you see what i did there?

9/18/2011 4:51:38 PM

Nobody wants the Loserville Tardnals.



I saw that written in the comments section of an ESPN article. I giggled like a little girl when I read it.

9/18/2011 4:52:54 PM

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"also don't know wtf the big east bball schools are gonna do "

start their own conference. that was going to happen eventually anyways.

9/18/2011 4:57:34 PM

^^^ but where does Kent State fit in in that state?

[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 4:58 PM. Reason : ]

9/18/2011 4:58:16 PM

^haha, was going to post something similar.

9/18/2011 5:00:13 PM

^^ is that just what you do? just show up in ST and bring up dumb shit that people posted previously? that's the second time today.

not to mention, you're the idiot that wrote a letter to the technician demonstrating that you can't count.

[Edited on September 18, 2011 at 5:02 PM. Reason : .]

9/18/2011 5:00:38 PM

somewhere in between a peace protest and the national guard

9/18/2011 5:01:23 PM